Dunce you should report them for wire fraud… and tax evasion as you know they’re not paying taxes on that money…

10k/per person

I'm not reporting anything to anybody, but I will discuss on this forum some of the BS that happens in poker, such as what we are discussing ITT.

On Twitter we currently have Doug Polk complaining about Rampage refunding plus a bonus the people who invested in his first bullet of his WPT score,
and most people disagreeing with Doug Polk's viewpoint, when really there is a giant elephant in the room which Doug Polk isn't mentioning, or maybe isn't aware of, or even given any thought to, which is how did Rampage get up to such high stakes so quickly?

We know how and saw evidence of how people like Isildur and Charlie Carrel did, so how did Rampage do it?

Let Doug Polk investigate that, and I'd be interested to hear his thoughts and findings on it.

As I mentioned earlier ITT, it is extremely likely, in fact almost certain, that a large proportion of the poker community ("poker community" meaning decent, good or winning players)
that have an involvement with these play money/real money apps, either as players on them (many I would say who are extremely likely to be cheating in some way on them)
or as agents or game runners.

Therefore, these play money/real money apps are what you could call poker's dirty little secret, at least a secret on the surface, the surface being the outward impression that people like Rampage and Mariano give and which most players don't want to call out or challenge, but it's not a secret really, is it, because so many players are involved in it and know exactly what is going on.

So it appears that most people/players are content with the current situation, which is that those people in the know, i.e. the good player / winning player poker community, are aware that Rampage's meteoric rise up the stakes is suspect in how it has come about, but they are happy for the poker playing masses to be oblivious to this.

As I've said before, I have nothing against people playing on these play money apps and doing it in effect for real money, I don't play on them myself and wouldn't, but people can do things at their own risk.

What I do have an issue with is the sheer fakery of certain poker YouTubers, and not just the fakery, but that it is at their viewers' expense.

He got to high stakes by binking tournaments that were live or streamed. All the evidence is online.

Zero percent chance he cheated. The sun is less hot than this run.

ClubGG completely ignoring cash games on their site is a separate issue. Calling him a cheat is outrageous.

I didn't call him a cheat, please read the whole thread and you'll see what I am driving at.

And look at his whole history of playing in low and mid stakes cash then quickly jumping up to much higher stakes cash with no apparent sufficient winnings at the stake levels below to support having a bankroll for the higher games.

Yes he had some great scores in MTTs but he also had some big losses in vlogged cash games.

We also can't know for sure if there were losses in other cash games that he chose not to vlog about.

Maybe he got backed to jump up into the higher stakes, who knows.

Or perhaps he has just defied the odds and nearly all of his shot taking has been successful.

Whatever has happened, if he is promoting play money apps for real money purposes to his audience and to his social media followers and earning rake from it, without telling those people the real risks of playing on these apps, then he is doing something wrong IMO.

Remember that a lot of his audience are newbies, fun players or recreational players.

Additionally, if he has speculated with those players' deposits, he is also doing something wrong.

I don't have proof of the latter, but there is circumstantial evidence to suggest that this is what may have happened.

I don't have proof that he is a poker app agent either, but others ITT have said that he is.

He should feel free to post in this thread and set the record straight on all of the points that have been made or mentioned ITT.

Dunces everyone knows these people on YT are shilling for clubgg…: no one cares.

Yes you’re right it’s illegal. Taking rake is what makes a poker game illegal in the USA. They’re profiting off of it. But most likely nothing will happen. Rampage is entering a certain amount of wealth where he might want to disassociate from the clubs from the it’s not worth it pov.

No player has ever been arrested for playing in a game. I’m pretty sure operators know they’re doing something semi illegal. But to most it’s not unethical. I’m kinda torn. I’d rather my rake go to rampage than some large casino.

I agree with you and would never advocate for operating an illegally raked poker room.

Look in a truly free country/world there would be card rooms on every corner providing a service and a cheap service at that. There’s somewhat of a monopoly on poker and thus rake. Taxation is theft. But at the same time regulation kinda needs to exist.

Sorry for double post but I didn’t want to edit..

It really comes down to authoritarianism vs libertarianism when it comes to poker rooms.

There needs to be some authoritarian laws like wearing a seatbelt aka in poker world regulating the sites at which poker rooms can exist for the public’s safety.

One of the risky things about operating in a strip mall is that you don’t have the security of a big casino.

There’s also the risk of running your own game. The libertarian in me thinks anyone should be allowed to run a poker game at anytime and charge rake from a free market perspective.

So this is a very complicated issue.

While I agree with many of your points, I think you are confusing the individual's liberty to be able to gamble, play poker, spend their money on what they like, which I agree with you on, with an individual's liberty to run a poker room in any way that they wish.

As an analogy, I agree with the individual's liberty to drink alcohol/liquor but I wouldn't agree to it being sold on an unlicensed premises because that premises is more likely than a licensed one to serve to underage drinkers, serve short measures and perhaps serve out of date drinks or drinks that have harmful substances in them.

There needs to be some level of regulation for certain things, otherwise some people with some bad elements of human nature will thrive unchecked.

I'd also say, don't rule out people who are breaking the law, and in plain sight, being prosecuted at some point.

Naturally, people just playing on the apps may not be at much risk of this, or less risk / face lower penalties, but people running illegal poker games or procuring players into them, could be at a big risk of prosecution, and if prosecuted potentially face big penalties and punishments.

An additional point is that people running these real money games on play money apps, and their agents procuring players, I would highly doubt are doing it for libertarian reasons, they are doing it to make as much money as fast as they possibly can.

Fascism,

Protectionist nonsense,

a fear of free markets, and an ignorance of the history of online poker

....... all in one post.

Impressive.

This is embarrassing.
You start off saying " I didnt call him a cheat"
and then the entire rest of your post is baseless accusations implying exactly that and you freely admit you have no proof of.

Lemme try and show you how awful what you wrote is
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I didn't call PokerPlayingDunces a Sheep-F-er,

but if you re-read my post, you'll see what I am driving at.

We also can't know for sure if PPD raw-dogs the llamas or if it is indeed just the sheep

Maybe he got hot and heavy with a goat instead,

who knows?

Additionally, if he has made hot sweet love to multiple sheep

I don't have proof of him sticking it to sheep while they wear fishnets on their hind legs, but hey I'm gonna allude to it a few more times

this is what may have happened. Sheep get banged by dudes all the time, right?

I don't have proof that he tapped some hot round sheep a$$, but still, can I pose the question once more that it's entirely possible PPD is a Sheep-F-er?



But seriously, I like you, you remind me of when I was young, dumb, and recklessly strident in holding stupid positions on issues and thinking I was smarter than everyone else. And did I say, I dont have proof you give it to the sheep at every opportunity, but I'm gonna imply it over and over.

You're obviously not intelligent enough to work out that in all of my posts I am careful not to make outright assertive accusations, because to do so would open oneself up to possible law suits.

I therefore only state possibilities and theories, any circumstantial evidence where it may exist and refer to things that other people have asserted.

I follow this rule on all threads where someone is being accused of something.

The things I referred to are not baseless, they are based on what other people have stated in this thread. E.g. someone was asked, "who is your agent", and they replied "Rampage".
Also, someone in the thread, and on Twitter too, saying that Johnnie Vibes runs the Splash Squad ClubGG app.

Other things I have mentioned as circumstantial evidence are exactly that, circumstantial evidence. E.g. the very quick rise up in stakes by both Rampage and Mariano, Mariano having ~2700 subscribers on his telegram channel for a play money app.

Then there are some factual things, such as various poker vloggers clearly stating on their YouTube page info that real money is involved in these games.

Rampage and Mariano do not have this on their YouTube page info, but others do.

You prove my point, you walk up to the line, but dont have the balls to actually cross it.

"I'm not saying he is a cheater/fraud, since then I could get sued, but hey, look at all this evidence and possibilities!!!! whoah whoah whoah, I didnt say he is a fraud, I just imply it over and over with 'theories and possibilities' since I want to eat the cake, without actually eating the cake!"

Thanks for the laugh

If I was an official paid prosecutor and this was a case I was prosecuting then I could and would make absolute statements.....

"I put it to you that the defendant was doing X, Y and Z", and give my reasoning.

It's not a matter of balls, it's a matter of common sense that I am not doing this on a discussion forum.

And by the way, I didn't create this thread, somebody else did and they gave it the title, "ClubGG: Rampage poker club a ponzi scheme rife with collusion."

Furthermore, Rampage himself, nor anyone else mentioned as being a possible game runner or agent, has posted in this thread challenging or disputing anything that has been said or alleged, so while that remains so, there will be further speculation.

Let's also include that as further circumstantial evidence, no denials by any of the people mentioned. Yet those same people are active on social media and it would seem inconceivable that they are not aware of this thread's existence, it being on the world's most popular and well-known poker forum.

Message to self and 2+2:

Poker playing dunces has taken up countless minutes of my life. Maybe ten. Maybe 110. I dont want them back. But god damn if I get sucked in ever again.

Noone on any forum I have ever immersed myself in has been able to say as little as dunces in more words. A true �� dunces has. I feel as though I have been beat over the head with a foam finger 1000 times.


Message to dunces:

Dunces I wish you good health and happiness in your real life in spite of you foam fingering me. Carry on.

Every now and then there is a quality post on 2+2 that makes all the garbage worth reading.

This is one of those posts.

OP was paid what he was owed. Not sure why this thread is still open. As with any unregulated gaming site, caveat emptor.

Congrats on the score Rampage, you seem like a good dude and your success will grow the game of poker.

Pointing out potential wrongdoings by others often gets attacked or ridiculed by people who would rather that everything was kept quiet.

Can you elaborate?

85% of people are followers
10% of people are creators

I am surprised why no one mentions about a white guy youtuber who speaks really fast, he's been crushing cash game at almost every casino he's been to. Something shady is going on with that guy too.

My faith in many of these vloggers acting ethically is diminishing more and more, I just played Lex O poker's latest vlog https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d43SZ4juoRM See at the 5 minute 6 second mark. (Sorry, I still can't get a YouTube video to embed on this forum, and I followed the exact instructions that a moderator pmed me.)

He is someone I mentioned earlier ITT that is genuinely grinding, travelling around the country with his faithful companion, Scout the dog (I think it's Scout), staying in motels, and apartments, having downswings etc..... but no, my faith in him being a genuine grinder is now shattered, because at 5 minutes 6 of the video he is promoting a Poker Bros club and here is his telegram https://t.me/LexoPokerBros/5

Again, assuming it's being used as a real money game (I do not have absolute proof), then wtf Lex? I thought you were one of the good guy vloggers, so what happened, have you caved in to temptation to make easy money at your followers' expense? Or was this part of your game plan from when you very started the vlog?

I am "voting with my feet" (well with my mouse). I have already stopped watching vlogs by Rampage, Mariano, Wolfgang and Lynn Ji and Lex O now joins my boycotted list.

I'm only now watching The Trooper's vlog which I have watched on and off for years and Jeff Boski. Yes he, Boski, promotes / shills for ACR, which has had a lot of well documented doubts cast about it's fairness to players, but I feel that he chose to be sponsored by them as a pragmatic measure and is doing it quite openly, so although it isn't a noble thing he is doing IMO, at least it isn't the smiley face, I am your friend tactics that some other vloggers are using to lure their followers in, and he doesn't appear to be getting rich quickly out of it at others' expense.

Lex, if you are reading this, I am massively disappointed in you. You seemed like a genuine hard working guy, and your game is ever improving, so if you are promoting legal gray area games, then you are trying to take an unethical shortcut up the poker ladder IMO.

Let me ask you, did you do this when you were a top level college wrestler (bend or break the rules), do you do this in other areas of life? If the answer is no to those questions then you should reconsider and not do it in poker.

Back to Rampage, and again if he is promoting and profiting from legal gray area games, it looks like his sales funnel to procure players in to them might be his "Rampunts Squad"
membership group, which has a subscription of $4.99 per month.

I can't get a screen shot of it, so here is a copy and paste:

Membership

Rampage
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Join
Recurring payment. Cancel at any time. Creator may update perks.
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Custom badge for members Custom badge for members
Discounted merchandise

Now it doesn't mention playing on poker apps for real money, but note the name Rampunts Squad.

Rampunts Squad..... Splash Squad. A coincidence?

Can anyone confirm or deny that Rampunts Squad membership is the sales funnel through which Rampage then promotes real money games using play money apps?

Rampunts Squad membership is advertised in his list of offerings in the details of his YouTube page:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGQM-Oee6nI

I have highlighted it in green below.

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PPD you should refocus your talents onto stocks to short. You’d be able to make some money while writing thousands of words on your chosen corporate miscreants.

Dunces is the first person on 2p2 to cite his sources in the footnotes of his posts.

Been there, done that, thanks. I was a market maker in them.

What are your thoughts on the subject matter of the thread?

As stated earlier, anyone choosing to play on an unregulated site knows the risks of doing so beforehand. If they want to take that risk who am I, or you, or anyone else to stop them? I’m honestly baffled why you seem to care about this stuff so much.