Is Brynn's affiliation with GG still in question? His ability to fund / cashout accounts? His refusal to payout at times because "crypto is down".

I have all of the receipts. Tens of thousands in deposits via Paypal, venmo, cashapp, and apple pay. A very limited # of cashouts. And texts from his agent saying he could not process my only large cashout (mid 5 figures) because crypto was down.
I was going through some issues in my life and was degening hard in the table games. They knew that and left me on to lose. Although I know the loss was my fault, I'd love to shed more light on Brynn's operation because of this predatory behavior and his general inability to admit any wrong doing ever.

I guess I was under the impression that more people knew what was going on. But thinking about it more now, maybe the information I have is pretty unique and pretty damning.
I have all of the receipts.
Is this information that would be helpful if shared? Would it accomplish anything?
My only hesitation is the embarrassment I have from the poor financial decisions. Decisions that were recognized and preyed upon by Bryn and his agent (who I'd potentially be willing to name also).

If anyone in Brynn's group reads this and has texts directly from him asking to stall payouts that they could provide me then I'd be much more willing to put all of these things together to show how predatory Brynn's behavior was during this time - and how GG allowed it all to happen.....

As far as I remember, he said that he no longer has the same arrangement with GG, but that they still talk to each other, and are on good terms with each other.

I brought up the Bryn Kenney thing to raise the possibility that GG poker according to Bryn Kenney, have form regarding their own TOS being broken, which might be relevant to some clubs who are doing similar using their play money version, ClubGG.

You shouldn't feel bad, guilty or any shame at all about bad decision making in table games, they're obviously inherently -EV, which you knew at the time, but I guess were using as an outlet or as some escapism from other stuff in life.

If as you say you were then prevented from withdrawing when you realised that enough was enough for you, then I agree that it may have been deliberate by the agent because they could see that you were playing table games, so likely to carry on losing. Or perhaps they genuinely didn't have the cash flow needed, but that is still bad.

Unfortunately, I don't know what there is that you can really do about it, other than take it as a lesson learned, both in terms of game selection / gambling selection and in terms of not in future trusting anyone / anything that is gray area legal, or outright illegal.

Such is the size of GG now, that I would imagine that they are bulletproof. When a company gets that big, often an increasing number of people, ranging from employees, shareholders, players, the poker media, accountants, lawyers, gaming commissions, even politicians and governments, form a collective protective shield around them, because so many people in some, many or all of these groups now have a vested interest.

As for Bryn Kenney, he didn't seem to be the slightest bit bothered about how he was running his money for chips conduit service, he only appeared concerned about protecting his reputation in respect of acting ethical in a poker sense way, but IMO ignored all of the other ethical and legal considerations.

You stating that he was also a money conduit for table games (I think that's what you mean), does shed a new light on things, because as you say, that is potentially more predatory behaviour by him, and by GG, if he did it with their blessing, because it shows a more ruthless streak, if what he did was say "I'll get you into some soft (poker) games" but then deliberately stalled withdrawals when he saw you losing in table games.

You could if you wish launch some kind of legal action against Brynn Kenney and/or GG, but I would advise against it, a) because you to some degree may be incriminating yourself (possibly you broke some gaming laws / money laundering laws / wire act laws), b) because of the likely protective shield that exists around GG, and c) because the amount of stress it would likely cause you would not in the end be worth it for the amount of compensation you would receive, and that's if you won the case, you may not do.

So for the time being, I think many play money apps (not just ClubGG, others too) will carry on as they are, and things will only change if the authorities (to use a phrase that amuses me when I hear it in American TV shows) get a hard on for going after the illegal aspects of the way some of the apps are being used.

Will they suddenly get a hard on for it, probably very unlikely, Therefore players need to protect themselves, and warn other players that they are friends with, of some of the potential pitfalls of playing on these apps with real money via agents.

When you sign up for these sites and app games, you are accepting a lot of risk. To go in and think otherwise is just simply ignorant. With that said if what you say is true, you still have a right to be mad about it. I am also going to defend Rampage slightly. At least from my understanding, his agency for this site is simply that. I don't have private knowledge of who runs it, but I don't think he is the owner of the club. He is simply taking advantage of his huge platform to greatly profit from those who sign up and play on the site through his access code. While that is potentially exploitive, he himself is probably not responsible for any unfair seizure of funds/ shady activity.

I think it's safe to say that while rampage definitely makes a large amount of money from youtube, he has other significant incomes that allowed him to rise so quickly into very high-stakes games. From what I have heard, agents for these very big clubs make ridiculous amounts of money, especially when they have tons of players playing under their agency. Shout out Bryn Kenney. A few weeks back on one of the Solve for Why Only friends Podcasts, Matt Berkey made a comment hinting at Rampage and Mike Jozoff about wanting to talk about their ClubGG agency income on the pod, but deciding to talk about it off the air. If it was something that Matt wanted to talk about that bad, my guess is ClubGG has made them both very "financially sound"

Thank you for the response.

In regards to table games, GG offered them on their site. They were through large providers like Evolution gaming; but yes that money makes it in to Brynn's pocket as well.
I went between table games and 500/1k+ tournaments - Brynn's dream customer.

I know that I have no real way to pursue this, just wanted to get it out there; and if more comes to light on this and my information can help someone - please contact me.

The rake in club GG is set up by the club owner, not GG.

I think in general people know this is grey area/illegal.

Not all laws are fair/moral/correct.

Let people play poker.

Hi, offtopic (kind of). I stake group of players on several apk (ppp, upoker, pokerbros, suprema and clubGG). 8 of 9 are winning last 2 years.
We started to play HU tables in one Israeli club on clubGG before two months. And there is only "if" with this applications but usually player who run bad accuses with rigged lines.
Last two weeks they pray for me to look at the hands they were playing on clubGG, they made total like 150k hands and I was shocked. Just to notice total, they are like BE with rake but hands I have been reviewed on every stakes are insane. There is cooler every hand. I really doubt rng test from bmm testlabs are legal. Some of them are playing NLH, but mostly they were playing low/mid stakes HU. That "shady" dealings in their report I have never seen before and after 3M hands of experience playin plo4 low-high stakes I am 100% sure that something is going on.
Anyone here has that kind of experience?

Would you be willing to share the actual data that led you to this conclusion

Someone has to run the worst. Turns out people can run really bad for a really long time

Actually not talking about bad run here, but the frequency of coolers. In long run thats even for all. But game is so weird that amount of quads, straight flushes never saw in my life. Just asked has anyone play or rail the game before and noticed same?

He’s talking about the apps cold decking players to artificially boost action. The line of thought is more/bigger pots leads to higher rake generation and player engagement. Players, especially big losing players tend to gravitate towards “action games”.

Personally, I don't think it’s that far fetched but I stopped playing app games years ago so my experience is limited.

Anyone know if GG has plans to add other games? Pretty ridiculous that the largest poker site just has 4 variants. I'd love to see the following added:

PLO8
LO8
2-7 TD limit and pot limit
Stud8 limit and pot limit
Horse and 8game with cap and no cap


A big bet mix with cap and without cap inlcuding the following: NL, PLO, 5 card PLO, Short Deck, PLO8, 2-7 TD Pot Limit, and Stud8 pot limit.

Exactly that. Would be interesting to just record one session to see how strange it is.
On long term + rb they are going to be profitable, but thats too much mess with head.

Sames happens on Ignition.

Turns out when people play bad (more hands) coolers happen more often. Interesting concept

I looked up Pokerbros and Pokerrr2 and both of their RNG algos appear to have passed 3rd party inspection.

And of course you have their word the RNG they use is the same as the RNG they sent for third party inspection.

Word is everything in this world

Fair point. I’m not familiar with how the testing process goes.

Anyone that play app games experience difficulty cashing out after the drop in crypto prices?

I know some club owners who didn’t have btc as a withdrawal option only as a deposit option.. they were even willing to cover the fees from btc deposits.

So I’m guessing they’re taking it on the chin now

Very likely IMO, that many agents are now running a big USD equivalent deficit, should all players that they are holding money for decide to all cash out,
and that's if they weren't already running a big deficit, which I think many of them most likely were, given that there are zero ringfencing of funds controls in place, leaving the agent free to potentially do whatever they like with their "clients'" money.

+1
will be interesting to watch how many Lederer/Ferguson type of agents are out there really.

The correct inference is that the competition has better computer aupport

Is there not a rake cap on the site? Because if there is, I believe this would lead to lower rake generation.