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11-17-2008 , 01:24 AM

#326

AntonHeat

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Originally Posted by RichardHurtz

I would think that ownership is the last thing the owners of FTP want revealed. Bet they settle.

If they don't settle im going to be surprised, I bet Clonie makes anywere from 1-5 mil of this.

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11-17-2008 , 01:29 AM

#327

StraddleBet

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Originally Posted by defineluck

perry friedman was the first employee hired and was the lead programmer

Why is Perry in red?

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11-17-2008 , 01:32 AM

#328

blocka

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Originally Posted by kk405

Tell that to Leona Helmsley...

Yes she was convicted of tax evasion.

Just like Al Capone got done for tax evasion, not for running illegal businesses.

If Full Tilt and its owners have paid their taxes they have nothing to worry about from the IRS.

It is perfectly acceptable to the tax office to run businesses with questionable legality as long as you pay your taxes. It is not their job, nor do they have juristriction to determine if your business is illegal. Hell up until recently the tax offices of many countries even accepted bribes as a legitimate tax deduction. Now they have changed that but allow 'facilitation payments'.

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11-17-2008 , 01:44 AM

#329

whitfcd

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Negreanu says: "She has gone absolutely ding bat crazy and is making things up. There is just no freaking way they'd offer her 1%, no freaking way. This feels more like crazy ex-girlfriend extortion than anything else. I really hope she doesn't get away with this, luckily I don't think she will. What an idiot."

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11-17-2008 , 01:54 AM

#330

soah

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Originally Posted by Watchmaker

The most common failboat voyage taken by internet BBS participants is when someone (usually woefully unqualified) offers their "interpretation of the law" as if a the mere existence of a reasonably cogent interpretation acts as a magical wand to ward off prosecution.

There's a reason courts exist and they are not philosophically monolithic. You can litigate the exact same case in front of ten different courts and wind up with opposite outcomes, equally split down the middle. Something like the UIGEA- a brand new law with extremely limited (if any?) precedence that is pretty much begging for a couple test cases- isn't something to be messed with, unless you're the one willing to be 'the tested' and you have enough faith in your interpretation of the law that it's nearly impossible for anyone else to conclude otherwise.

Is this an example of someone woefully unqualified offering their two cents? The Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act calls for the creation of a set of regulations to enforce previously existing laws. These regulations are targeted at financial institutions. The act explicitly does not criminalize any gambling which was not already illegal. The Wire Act is hardly a new law and US Courts have ruled that it applies only to sports betting and not any other online gambling.

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11-17-2008 , 02:04 AM

#331

Charles3Mil

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I call BS

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11-17-2008 , 02:04 AM

#332

ruof

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Originally Posted by dkkawd

I think that clonie is pretty and I hope she wins. FTP is full of scammers she deserves all the money I can get.

OK this is like the fourth or fifth post that has mentioned them being scammers or cons. Could SOMEONE PLEASE tell me what the deal is here? Why do people think they are cons or scammers? What did they do? Why do people want them all to go to jail?

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11-17-2008 , 02:05 AM

#333

kk405

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I KNOW...please read the prior posts carefuly before commenting and criticizing...

My comment regarding Leona Helmsley was not about her direct conviction per say, but it was in regards to a comment by an earlier poster who said "
Tax issues are totally seperate from other legal issues." and my response to that was tax issues are NOT seperate from other legal issues, and many times one legal issue triggers another..and tax issues can become significnatly more than just tax issues, they can turn into criminal/felony prosecutions depending on the circusmatnces and the case....

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11-17-2008 , 02:09 AM

#334

kk405

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so,you're saying that a drug dealer can file his taxes and not worry about it, as long as he pays his taxes on the income he generates?...LOL

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Originally Posted by blocka

It is perfectly acceptable to the tax office to run businesses with questionable legality as long as you pay your taxes. It is not their job, nor do they have juristriction to determine if your business is illegal. Hell up until recently the tax offices of many countries even accepted bribes as a legitimate tax deduction. Now they have changed that but allow 'facilitation payments'.

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11-17-2008 , 02:16 AM

#335

9.5fingershuffle

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Is this really a diversity action? Hard to beleive no one resides in the same state.

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11-17-2008 , 02:17 AM

#336

Dave D

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He said questionable illegality, not actually illegal

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11-17-2008 , 02:24 AM

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kk405

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This for sure will get a response from Doyle in the next couple of days...as evidenced by other postings and Doyle's blog, his daughter indeed reads many of the postings in these forums and many times has notified him of what is being said and written and Doyle has responded to such postings on his blog...

also, what I ahve found fascintaing is that depsite this thread being one of the most interesting NVG threads in a very ling time, noene of the famous pros have come to make any comments whatsoever....everyone is keeping a distance from it, as it's clearly such a hot button...

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Originally Posted by DCJ001

Why did you say, "It better not be Doyle." ?

Is this statement of yours a threat against Doyle?

Or are you anxious about going up against Clonie if Doyle is on her side?

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11-17-2008 , 02:27 AM

#338

greg nice

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ban kk405 imo

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11-17-2008 , 02:29 AM

#339

StraddleBet

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It's a hot button because people just want to play their game and not get involved with things like this. Nobody needs the scrutiny and the attention, but if Clonie is determined to make this kind of a play, the powers that be are obviously prepared to do whatever is necessary to fight it.

The people who have been speaking up have had a pretty consistent message: Clonie is way out of line here. I don't think that's some sort of accident or coincidence.

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11-17-2008 , 02:38 AM

#340

ashley12

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Originally Posted by kk405

so,you're saying that a drug dealer can file his taxes and not worry about it, as long as he pays his taxes on the income he generates?...LOL

To the tax office they dont care where the income comes from, provided it is correctlt taxed. The other agencies might be a bit worried though.

There was actually a case in Australia where IIRC a drug dealer managed to claim expenses relating to the purchase of illegal substances as a tax deduction IIRC...

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11-17-2008 , 02:44 AM

#341

DOC_ADDISON

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seriously you guys could take over the world if you could all come together.I've got my 30k for a stake in the next global poker dominance.Maybe call it BarackOPoker???

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11-17-2008 , 02:48 AM

#342

Watchmaker

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Originally Posted by soah

Hooray! "A Defense!"
And here's what the prosecution would say...
http://www.gambling-law-us.com/Feder...mbling-ban.htm

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11-17-2008 , 02:48 AM

#343

blocka

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Originally Posted by kk405

so,you're saying that a drug dealer can file his taxes and not worry about it, as long as he pays his taxes on the income he generates?...LOL

Yes that is correct. Mindboggling, but correct. In fact many US states have systems in place to help in collection of tax on prohibited substances for example.

Eg: http://www.cga.ct.gov/2005/pub/Chap228d.htm

So you need to buy a tax stamp for $3.50 for each gram of marijuana!

Edit: He doesn't have to worry about it problems from the tax department, but obvioulsy still from other areas....

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11-17-2008 , 02:49 AM

#344

greg nice

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LOL

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11-17-2008 , 02:58 AM

#345

BurnThis

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Does anyone have a copy of the complaint? It doesn't seem to make sense to set up a PACER account for one case.

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11-17-2008 , 02:59 AM

#346

ruof

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Originally Posted by trotter

Latest 3rd hand rumors/gossip

Ferguson and Bloch are raging mad at the situation.

Lindgren and Cunningham now both want out of FTP.

Clonie has been contacted by (or been in contact with) CBS/60 Minutes according to her.

O boy.

60 minutes is doing a special report on poker and online poker and the cheating scandal. They probably talked with a view to including this development in their report. Regardless, it's a safe bet it will be in their report.

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11-17-2008 , 03:05 AM

#347

Mookman5

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Originally Posted by BurnThis

Does anyone have a copy of the complaint? It doesn't seem to make sense to set up a PACER account for one case.

Please try reading the entire thread,

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OK, by popular request, I uploaded the case complaint from PACER onto that megaupload thing.

File is LOLDocuments.pdf

I think this is the link
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=N3X7W3CF

Nevermind, I am having a hard time with the link now too

Last edited by Mookman5; 11-17-2008 at 03:06 AM. Reason: having a hard time with the link now too

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11-17-2008 , 03:10 AM

#348

BurnThis

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Thanks, Mookman, but I did read the entire thread, went to that website, couldn't figure out what it was (the spinning and flashing made me feel like that female scientist in Andromeda Strain) and exited. Thanks for sending me back there.

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11-17-2008 , 03:14 AM

#349

ToTheFelt

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This is some hardcore bridge burning by Psycalona... Reminds me of when she plagiarized some poker article and passed it off as her own. Never liked this B from the first time I ever saw her on tv, WPT Ladies' Night event in 2003, with her index finger waving all-in BS....

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11-17-2008 , 03:22 AM

#350

Mookman5

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Originally Posted by BurnThis

OK, I got the pdf. Click on the link, create an account. Go to your email, validate your account. Then once logged in you can download the pdf, in all it took me 5 minutes.

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