Cliff notes of the 'Portuguese Poker Prodigy' Jose "Girah" Macedo scam - Page 7 - Poker News

Regarding that quoted post by Gregorio, am I the only person that interpreted that post as Greg suggesting that scenario #1 was the much more likely reality, and that the much more complex option #2 was laced with ironic overtones that most people now are misinterpreting as canny foresight?

08-07-2011 , 08:37 PM

#153

Joseph Hewes

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Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Maybe he can find some poster on his wall, or inspirational quote from his Mum, to keep going.

lol

08-07-2011 , 08:39 PM

#154

pbowenroe

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Quote:

Originally Posted by caseycjc

After reading gregorio's post, a Very respected self banned mod, for those that don't know him (I'll post it again because I think it's significant) I'm starting to go with my gut that Girah may have been a pawn in a much bigger scam.

I wouldn't be surprised if he acted on his own with regards to what was revealed today but the writing is on the wall that there's a lot more to this story than just him scamming some people out of 45K

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1540

This may be going over my head, but isn't Gregorio, in this post, using Occams' Razor to suggest that the 1st scenario was more likely?

I am kind of getting a sarcastic tone from his description of the second scenario.... I could have completely misinterpreted it tho

08-07-2011 , 08:40 PM

#155

The Boot Room

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i can just hope that the prodigy goes to jail for a couple of years at least and pay back all his winnings ever. but what i would love to see is the bigger thing which is under the water...would be fun if that guy had to talk with the police about everything...would be a pretty fun story...

08-07-2011 , 08:41 PM

#156

RideTheBeav

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Quote:

Originally Posted by atthebottom77

they're moving in together per:

"Thank you for joining with me today". She obv didn't get hired for her communication skills.

08-07-2011 , 08:41 PM

#157

pbowenroe

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gazillion

nope, not the only one lol. You posted this as I was writing post 154 itt.

08-07-2011 , 08:41 PM

#158

alwaysdegen

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Wasnt dog away a loooooooooooooooong time from poker, then suddenly he wants to move to Portugal and also lets Jose play on his account, cant be more obvious imo.

08-07-2011 , 08:42 PM

#159

McKaig

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It's taken me all day to read the previous thread and now this one.

Everyone before me has pretty much speculated every possible outcome, so I have nothing to add other then to watch this play out.

I wonder if Jose is reading along with the rest of us...

08-07-2011 , 08:42 PM

#160

Gazillion

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pbowenroe

nope, not the only one lol. You posted this as I was writing post 154 itt.

lol yeah I saw that. hehe.

08-07-2011 , 08:43 PM

#161

suzzer99

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As I stare out my window at the grey gloom of a late summer marine layer... I realize that I've barely gotten **** done all day, due to F5ing these threads.

I'm reminded of something my Dad used to say a lot, back when we would work on his old beaters in the crisp fall air until mom yelled at us that the pork chops were getting cold:
"DAMMIT!"
I slam my fist down on the desk and stammer loudly (loud enough to actually convince myself, I hope) "I'm lazy as hell and I'm going to stop reading 2p2 and go work out!" (right after I take a dump)

/Haseeb superfluous exposition scene

08-07-2011 , 08:43 PM

#162

deltron4040

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exit through the giftshop

08-07-2011 , 08:44 PM

#163

Charmer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gazillion

I also thought this. Seems clear hes suggesting #1. Occams razor does not suggest "the much more complex option #2 was laced with ironic overtones" (which 2 clearly is) is correct

Last edited by Charmer; 08-07-2011 at 08:46 PM. Reason: man i need to work out my f5 finger before posting, my pony is always slow

08-07-2011 , 08:45 PM

#164

Loctus

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gazillion

Yeah it's really strange. Since the post he makes and the one he quotes talks about Occam's razor, it seems like option #2 is just written as a long "herpderplol" rambling that Gregorio thinks is completely ridiculous and not something he actually thinks is true.

08-07-2011 , 08:45 PM

#165

wirless

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gazillion

I believe he was trying to show the paradox inherent in drawing conclusions using just Occam's Razor.

08-07-2011 , 08:45 PM

#166

caseycjc

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pbowenroe

I really have no idea, I just found it interesting that what ever the intent was at the time of the post (6/28) that it's pretty interesting, to say the least, with regards to what's been revealed today.

08-07-2011 , 08:45 PM

#167

GoBackToGo

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKahq...mbedded#at=112

this part got me thinking:

"what benefit do you see from living with these guys?"
"ah well, im not sure how to answer that question (,) honestly"

08-07-2011 , 08:45 PM

#168

suzzer99

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Neither one was very Occam's razor-y imo.

08-07-2011 , 08:46 PM

#169

imabigdeal

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OK, I didn't realize that the dollarman account had been flagged, guess I missed that. Obviously that would have signaled to Girah that the jig was up. It's still pretty hard to believe Girah is the only guilty one in this little "trio". I guess time will tell.

08-07-2011 , 08:46 PM

#170

Loctus

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Quote:

Originally Posted by alwaysdegen

Wasnt dog away a loooooooooooooooong time from poker, then suddenly he wants to move to Portugal and also lets Jose play on his account, cant be more obvious imo.

This. Why would DIH care about moving out of the country post black friday to play online poker if he doesn't play online poker..

08-07-2011 , 08:46 PM

#171

LoSwaga

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dudes cheats his way to hsnl, ****ing clown, way to go barry bonds/ mark mcgwuire etc. etc.

08-07-2011 , 08:47 PM

#172

Anden

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TooCuriousso1

[8/4/2011 10:58:50 AM] DOG: but here's the bottom line, i spoke to jose and nick and nick told me all of the evidence, and jose of course denied any and all allegations
[8/4/2011 10:58:54 AM] DOG: well listen
[8/4/2011 10:59:20 AM] DOG: after i got off the phone with them we agreed that we'd need to look at HH's for conclusive proof since it'd pretty much confirm or deny any superusing claims
[8/4/2011 10:59:26 AM] DOG: cuz jose siad he could get them
[8/4/2011 10:59:42 AM] DOG: after i get off the phone, i talk to jose privately and confront him, because i felt like the evidence against him was pretty strong
[8/4/2011 11:00:03 AM] DOG: and after some strongarming, he confesses to the cheating and starts crying and ****
[8/4/2011 11:00:21 AM] DOG: now obviously i'm telling you guys this in confidence and this should not be leaving this skype chat until everything is resolved
[8/4/2011 11:01:03 AM] DOG: but basically he admitted to the cheating. he gave me some details about it but i cuoldn't get a lot out of him because he was acting pretty delirious

God, kid tries to play a dangerous game thinking he's some sort of evil genius, and then starts crying when he's busted. Basically embarrassing to read this.

08-07-2011 , 08:47 PM

#173

brrrap!

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Invertible

From this Haseeb/Girah Gained:

- A ton of interviews, some probably paid I would guess.
- Extremely high coaching fees with a waitlist of people
- Lock Poker contract, probably paid well and 100% rakeback
- Website with Lock poker affiliate deal
- Haseeb himself maybe pushed his profile further/got more students/kept his rate high even though he doesn't really play anymore
- PokerStrategy deal, paid obv
- Looking at Ashmans tweets, they multi-accounted as well.

So even just if the Girah story is made up, this in itself means that he has scammed the community out of alot of money, I would imagine 6figs+, on top of the direct scamming

Just wow, well played JungleDog.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1540

Quoting this again incase it gets lost in the thread.

08-07-2011 , 08:47 PM

#174

limon

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TooCuriousso1

Jose contacted me first, and he said he had a confession (I believed what tipped him off what the fact that dollarman account was under investigation by merge and they requested documents). We had that long chat convo that was posted. Then Haseeb and Jose called me on skype and Haseeb was filled in as to what was going on. Haseeb seemed to not have a clue as to what was going on with this. Then the following day Haseeb told us that after our skype call he pressed Jose for more information because he felt the evidence against him was pretty bad. Jose then broke down and admitted to Haseeb there was cheating.

h/o I'll get chat logs.

[8/4/2011 10:58:50 AM] DOG: but here's the bottom line, i spoke to jose and nick and nick told me all of the evidence, and jose of course denied any and all allegations
[8/4/2011 10:58:54 AM] DOG: well listen
[8/4/2011 10:59:20 AM] DOG: after i got off the phone with them we agreed that we'd need to look at HH's for conclusive proof since it'd pretty much confirm or deny any superusing claims
[8/4/2011 10:59:26 AM] DOG: cuz jose siad he could get them
[8/4/2011 10:59:42 AM] DOG: after i get off the phone, i talk to jose privately and confront him, because i felt like the evidence against him was pretty strong
[8/4/2011 11:00:03 AM] DOG: and after some strongarming, he confesses to the cheating and starts crying and ****
[8/4/2011 11:00:21 AM] DOG: now obviously i'm telling you guys this in confidence and this should not be leaving this skype chat until everything is resolved
[8/4/2011 11:01:03 AM] DOG: but basically he admitted to the cheating. he gave me some details about it but i cuoldn't get a lot out of him because he was acting pretty delirious

is this dog guy a native english speaker? the way this is constructed just seems fishy as hell, the preamble and then the strongarming revelation seems staged. is their any evidence that this jose guy really exists?