Cliff notes of the 'Portuguese Poker Prodigy' Jose "Girah" Macedo scam - Page 5 - Poker News

wow just read chat logs nick handled himself really well if they didn't already know something was up jose all but told them when he said he'd quit poker (and kill himself) before they went public with him just lying to get his friend action. Like obviously that's slightly unethical but that's something you apologize for maybe if they wouldn't have played the friend otherwise give them the ev back (which should be a small amount) and move on, not something you'd quit poker over.

08-07-2011 , 08:00 PM

#102

Xaston

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 4,529

[1:02:53 AM] josé maria macedo: i would never superuse anyone
[1:03:02 AM] josé maria macedo: ive been ****ed so many times in poker

08-07-2011 , 08:01 PM

#103

Invertible

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,348

Quote:

Originally Posted by oakley77

So has anyone even considered the amount of money that Girah possibly scammed out of people from coaching (legit coaching but being overly represented in his skill set)? If he is in fact a fraud and was charging quite a lot of money per hour with allegedly a 50 person waitlist, that is a TON of money for someone to rake in. I believe someone who received coaching from him earlier was a bit dissatisfied with the lessons but I'd like to hear from more of the students...

As far as I know of his coaching, I've only seen his first video where he basically covered two hands that were already thoroughly discussed on 2+2 which really didn't bring any new information that wasn't already covered throughout the threads.

From this Haseeb/Girah Gained:

- A ton of interviews, some probably paid I would guess.
- Extremely high coaching fees with a waitlist of people
- Lock Poker contract, probably paid well and 100% rakeback
- Website with Lock poker affiliate deal
- Haseeb himself maybe pushed his profile further/got more students/kept his rate high even though he doesn't really play anymore
- PokerStrategy deal, paid obv
- Looking at Ashmans tweets, they multi-accounted as well.

So even just if the Girah story is made up, this in itself means that he has scammed the community out of alot of money, I would imagine 6figs+, on top of the direct scamming

08-07-2011 , 08:01 PM

#104

CheckRaise_

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your pageup & pagedown buttons are great for the logs

08-07-2011 , 08:02 PM

#105

bereziNLX3

adept

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I am in total awe. I had the most respect for Jose after hearing about his story and watching all his interviews, and in a way, even looked up to him as i admired the **** out of his poker work ethic. I'm totally confused as to why he would scam his trustworthy friends who have helped him get to where he is today, for some several thousands of dollars when he's already a millionaire. Scamming your friends who trust you is one of the scummiest thing you could possibly do, and Jose deserves to be shunned from poker for the rest of his life. I hope nobody shows him sympathy after his recent actions. I also don't buy the whole "im just a young stupid kid" card, he fully knew exactly what he was doing and that's what bothers me the most. The guy literally ruined his whole life's reputation for more money. It's never enough, huh?

gl to those who were scammed.

08-07-2011 , 08:03 PM

#106

Riina

adept

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,037

*Grunch*

This whole thing seems so weird to me. In the case you are serious about your apology, i hope you find your way back. But in all honesty, your offense is of such an outrageous nature you have to consider the fact that this may be at the very least be indicative of some major fundamental flaws in your personality.

Even though some good people in this world have done some bad things in desperate situations, it just doesn't work like that in the comfortable situation you were in. It goes against the entire fabric of human psychology for an ethically sound person to suddenly decides to lower himself to this level out of the blue.

Either the persona that led highly intelligent players to label you 'trustworthy' has been a total (yet crafty) fabrication of a very disturbing degree, or you are suffering from a very real disorder (i don't know, kleptomania or something i guess??). Find out for yourself what it is, because i promise you now that in 20 years from now you will not look back on this as some rogue blip in an otherwise gentle integre flow of things.

Human psychology just doesn't work like that.

08-07-2011 , 08:04 PM

#107

bereziNLX3

adept

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,120

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xaston

[05/08/2011 17:32:19] josé maria macedo: i just made a mistake
[05/08/2011 17:32:24] josé maria macedo: just dont ruin my life
[05/08/2011 17:33:08] josé maria macedo: ive already told my mum

spat out my water reading this

08-07-2011 , 08:04 PM

#108

caseycjc

banned

Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,728

This is from gregorio back on 6/28, never saw it before but interesting.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1540

08-07-2011 , 08:07 PM

#109

Shhhhtonk

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 282

I'm glad nobody cheats at live poker

08-07-2011 , 08:07 PM

#110

wirless

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 127

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hood

This is a minor and possibly inconsequential point, but i didn't see it mentioned in the last thread so i'll throw it in here: prior to moving to portugal, all 3 were planning to live in canada together, so it wasn't just a last-minute plan the three would co-habit because Cates couldn't enter Canada.

From girahs blog:

potentially very important as it seems to imply that all 3 planned to co-habitat no matter where in the world...i believe that sauce123 resides in Canada as well

08-07-2011 , 08:07 PM

#111

rahul

grinder

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 649

Quote:

[1:24:28 AM] josé maria macedo: i know you guys like me and you know im telling the truth

Quote:

[1:27:24 AM] Nick Frame: uve lied to me at least 3 times in this discussion so far.
[1:27:30 AM] Nick Frame: why should i believe anything youre saying?
[1:27:42 AM] josé maria macedo: i dont know
[1:27:47 AM] josé maria macedo: because its true
[1:27:50 AM] josé maria macedo: because you know me
[1:27:57 AM] josé maria macedo: from the months we've spoken on strat
[1:27:58 AM] josé maria macedo: and the stuff ive done
[1:28:04 AM] josé maria macedo: and the person ive shown to be
[1:28:08 AM] josé maria macedo: that i dont do **** like this
[1:28:21 AM] josé maria macedo: that i would never scam anyone, much less you

professional con man in action...

Quote:

[12:49:04 AM] Nick Frame: wheres he from?
[12:49:10 AM] josé maria macedo: not sure
[12:49:12 AM] Nick Frame: very easy question
[12:49:16 AM] josé maria macedo: his parents are form weird places
[12:49:20 AM] josé maria macedo: spain and france i think

... or not.

Jose, you got a brilliant future as a con man. Seriously. I am sure you gonna make a lot of money.

08-07-2011 , 08:08 PM

#112

NoMeansYes_

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Chatlogs are incredible, need more info about how DIH/Jungleman are involved and if Girahs results are real imo

08-07-2011 , 08:08 PM

#113

atthebottom77

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,487

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hood

just sayin'. and answering an other poster question, but I thank YOU.

Last edited by atthebottom77; 08-07-2011 at 08:10 PM. Reason: reach in for a hug big daddy...

08-07-2011 , 08:09 PM

#114

imabigdeal

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,418

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoBackToGo

one question to the group of HS players who revealed all this:

when exactly did u guys inform JM or DIH about your suspicion against girah?

I'm not sure if they ever did. But it would make sense that someone tipped Girah off, because the timing of his confession is pretty suspicious. It sounds like they'd been growing more confident that they'd be cheated and then all of the sudden he messages one of them trying to come clean. Kinda weird.

08-07-2011 , 08:09 PM

#115

sheeprustler

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Quote:

Originally Posted by caseycjc

This is from gregorio back on 6/28, never saw it before but interesting.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1540

**** me.

08-07-2011 , 08:09 PM

#116

goncalostar

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Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,372

Some more information to you guys:

- Another portuguese lock pro posted on his facebook that José is no longer Lock Pro since the begining of August, and lock is going to run a deep investigation on him and maybe they'll sue him.

Now i have a question for Nick or other person that might know the answer : why did José confess to you that those accounts (sauron, dollar, etc) belonged to his friend? did he knew, that you guys were running an investigation on him?

08-07-2011 , 08:09 PM

#117

rahul

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Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 649

BTW, how come DogIsHead had tones of time to try and take care of Girah cheating, but doesn't have even 5 minutes to reply on 2+2?
Weird.

08-07-2011 , 08:09 PM

#118

daxile

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 589

No man has a good enough memory to make a successful liar.
- Abraham Lincoln

should be quoted at op

08-07-2011 , 08:10 PM

#119

CheckRaise_

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really get the vibe that he has a series personality disorder from reading the logs, he is such a sociopath

08-07-2011 , 08:11 PM

#120

slowjoe

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Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 519

DIH has a lot to answer for. Any Ipoker accounts are ?illegal? for a US resident. He's been thinking about this for some time, I think:

Quote:

The European Hierarchy

It's important to realize that the online poker world is split into a number of different worlds. Our world is what I will call the Western poker world (the word is poorly chosen but it works well enough). It includes 2p2, Cardplayer, Tableratings, and extends to the major American poker sites - Stars, Full Tilt, and Ultimatebet. The other major world is the Euro poker world, which includes sites like Ipoker, Prima, Party, Betfair, Svenka Spel, and some other sites that are only open to various European players (I don't know enough about this poker world to mention any other specific sites, forums, etc.). These poker worlds are generally pretty strongly segregated - most of the top players in the Western poker world only play on Western sites, either because they're American or because the nosebleed action on FTP/Stars runs more regularly. And in the same way, most of the top players in the Euro poker world only play on Eurosites and make most of their money there. But in each poker world there has been established a pecking order - a hierarchy.

From years of poker pros playing each other in different combinations and matchups, people have figured out who is better than who. Over the long run there is not much fluctuation in these hierarchies, as the better players continue to get better and don't let players lower in the food chain catch up. It is also generally acknowledged that the Western hierarchy is stronger than the Euro hierarchy - the games are tougher and more selective, there are fewer fish, and so the Western hierarchy has bred the best poker players in the world. The Western poker world is tougher, and for that, it is stronger. But Isildur has challenged that. Isildur is from the Euro poker world, and his blitzkrieg against the entire Western poker hierarchy is a direct challenge to this precept. Many Swedish and other European players cheer on the march of Isildur for precisely this reason - to them, Isildur represents their hierarchy taking back control of the poker world. And so Isildur has become, to some, a symbol of the European hierarchy.

From http://www.cardrunners.com/blog/inte...ets-1258491260, posted in November 2009.

08-07-2011 , 08:11 PM

#121

slowjoe

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 519

Quote:

Originally Posted by rahul

BTW, how come DogIsHead had tones of time to try and take care of Girah cheating, but doesn't have even 5 minutes to reply on 2+2?
Weird.

Someone said abuot 65 pages into the other thread that DIH and JM are currently airborne.

08-07-2011 , 08:12 PM

#122

A_Schupick

Micros Bad Cop

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 8,271

Quote:

Originally Posted by caseycjc

This is from gregorio back on 6/28, never saw it before but interesting.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1540

This needs ot be read by everyone......

08-07-2011 , 08:12 PM

#123

PostflopNoob

journeyman

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 321

Why haven't you asked him to tell you his REAL SN and stuff, HEM hands..

We could of known by now whether the results he had posted are real or not..

I am sure he would of told you truth if you just gave him a glimmer of hope that this won't go public if he does tell you instead.

08-07-2011 , 08:14 PM

#124

CheckRaise_

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Shhhhtonk

I'm glad nobody cheats at live poker

okay

08-07-2011 , 08:15 PM

#125

GoBackToGo

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Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 82

my post was:
one question to the group of HS players who revealed all this:

when exactly did u guys inform JM or DIH about your suspicion against girah?

im asking because the plan to move to portugal to live with girah was only announced really recently. it could have been some kind of cover-up story to clear their own names. no one really knows if JM told the truth when he said he was not allowed into canada.

someone replyed:

Quote:

Originally Posted by imabigdeal

they did. its in the chatlogs.

so again: would be nice to know when nthey where informed. this whole "coundt go to canada, going to portugal" then after the thread: "will not go to portugal" thing could be a cover-up.

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