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Chiren80 over halfway done with his 1,000,000 hands in a month world record! Chiren80 over halfway done with his 1,000,000 hands in a month world record!

01-06-2011 , 03:29 AM
I really hope he has a prop bet going

Last edited by LMFAOhaha; 01-06-2011 at 03:30 AM. Reason: otherwise gtfo at 2nl
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01-06-2011 , 04:02 AM
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Originally Posted by NDHand
I guess it shows how crushing the rake really is. At 200NL, being a break-even player playing that volume will make you very rich. At 2NL, you barely get anything for your effort.
how does that even make sense?
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01-06-2011 , 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by maglame
Now name one who wins anything with a bunch of Koreans in it.
thelittleone
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01-06-2011 , 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Josem
how does that even make sense?
You just can't read, dude.
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01-06-2011 , 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Josem
how does that even make sense?
Rakeback?
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01-06-2011 , 07:52 AM
this has prop bet written all over it.
And pretty good going to keep the win rate up over so many hands - his brain must be custard right now
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01-06-2011 , 07:55 AM
just 3beted him and he folded ip....2 bad i had QQ
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01-06-2011 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Josem
how does that even make sense?
how does it not?
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01-06-2011 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by UKrakeback
this has prop bet written all over it.
And pretty good going to keep the win rate up over so many hands - his brain must be custard right now
No kidding 646k and going... that's just inhumane.
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01-06-2011 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by smooth101
Chiren80:
$1/$2 NLH: Hands: 861,417 Net: $6,288
$0.01/$0.02 NLH: Hands:626,792 Net: 1,673

He has almost made 1/3 the amount of money at 2nl that he has made at 200nl in the almost the same number of hands. That is fairly interesting. If hits a huge upswing in the next 234,625 hands he could easily make half the amount, or more, he has made at 200nl at 1/100th the stakes in the same number of hands.

I know there are a lot of haters but this is still fascinating to see the difference between skill level between the buy-in levels, empirically, rather than subjectively through play. Although 1/100th in scale he has made almost 1/3 as times the profit. I hope I will be able to see what his profit is when he reaches the same number of hands for both levels.
You are ignoring where the majority of money in small stakes games goes to - the house. The rake is absolutely brutal.

Here is a page listing the effective rakes per 100 hundred hands: http://www.pokertableratings.com/pok...imit-hold%27em

$2 (as in $.01/$0.02) NL on Stars is raked an average of $2.50 per 1k hands. $200NL is raked an average of $100.20 per 1000 hands.

So in 861,417 hands of $200NL you pay $86,313.98 in rake. That means he earned nearly $87k at the stake, but it all went to the house. At $0.01/$0.02 he paid $1,566.98 in rake. So its more accurate to say that he earned:

$200NL = $86,313.98 + $6,288 = $92,601.98
$2NL = $1,673 + $1566.98 = $3,239.98

The rake is just insanely too high for small stakes games.
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01-06-2011 , 03:28 PM
Yes, I regularly use a screenshot of my PT3 to show how much rake I've paid rather than use real dollars to buy food at the grocery shop.
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01-06-2011 , 04:29 PM
Really? Didn't know they took that. I usually pay in sklansky bucks!

When comparing the relative skill levels it only makes sense to exclude rake. He took $92,601.98 from other players in those games - period. That the site then took $86,313.98 of that from him in rake is obscene and ridiculous, but should also be ignored when trying to compare the overall skill factor between different levels.

If you don't exclude rake the stats don't make sense. Like the top winners at $25NL (as in $0.10/$0.25NL) have an average earn rate of 2.5BB/100. While the top winners at $2000NL have an average earn rate of 4.44BB/100. Does this mean there's bigger edges to be had at $2000NL? Obviously not, just that one stake is raked to death. So if you want to compare them you need to look at rake-exempt earn rates.
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01-06-2011 , 06:24 PM
Interesting analyses. In PLO8 when the pot is chopped, I get back less money than when the hand started when its heads up after the flop.

At what level do you get the most bang for the buck?
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01-06-2011 , 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by MauiPunter
Interesting analyses. In PLO8 when the pot is chopped, I get back less money than when the hand started when its heads up after the flop.

At what level do you get the most bang for the buck?
100 000 NL
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01-06-2011 , 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Do it Right
You are ignoring where the majority of money in small stakes games goes to - the house. The rake is absolutely brutal.

Here is a page listing the effective rakes per 100 hundred hands: http://www.pokertableratings.com/pok...imit-hold%27em

$2 (as in $.01/$0.02) NL on Stars is raked an average of $2.50 per 1k hands. $200NL is raked an average of $100.20 per 1000 hands.

So in 861,417 hands of $200NL you pay $86,313.98 in rake. That means he earned nearly $87k at the stake, but it all went to the house. At $0.01/$0.02 he paid $1,566.98 in rake. So its more accurate to say that he earned:

$200NL = $86,313.98 + $6,288 = $92,601.98
$2NL = $1,673 + $1566.98 = $3,239.98

The rake is just insanely too high for small stakes games.
Just use the actual numbers on tableratings, Chiren has paid $40,277 for 861,417 hands of 200NL, and $1,279 for 652,761hands of 2NL.. But I guess your point is still valid
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01-06-2011 , 09:43 PM
How much did PartyPoker pay PTR for the new badges on Chiren's page?
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01-07-2011 , 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Sh4wshank
Just use the actual numbers on tableratings, Chiren has paid $40,277 for 861,417 hands of 200NL, and $1,279 for 652,761hands of 2NL.. But I guess your point is still valid
wait why does this matter. isnt he a pokerstars pro and gets 100% rakeback?
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01-07-2011 , 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by jackxer
wait why does this matter. isnt he a pokerstars pro and gets 100% rakeback?
Nobody knows how much any individual contract is worth, in real terms or rakeback.
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01-07-2011 , 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by jackxer
wait why does this matter. isnt he a pokerstars pro and gets 100% rakeback?
Probably, hence why Chiren is making a killing despite being near break-even at the tables.
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01-07-2011 , 05:33 PM
can someone tell me why hands that his script auto-folds are counted towards hands that he has played?
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01-07-2011 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by WelshChip
can someone tell me why hands that his script auto-folds are counted towards hands that he has played?
There is no proof he is using an auto fold script. Those are prohibited on Stars, you are making a rather large accusation. Also any time you are dealt cards that counts as a hand. It doesn't matter what you do after that.
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01-07-2011 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by wants
Nobody knows how much any individual contract is worth, in real terms or rakeback.
Joep "Pappe_Ruk" van den Bijgaart (Dutch Team PS pro) once said in an radio interview, answering a question about his grind for supernova elite (which he quit btw) "Yes, but that doesnt matter, because i get 100% rakeback anyway".
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01-07-2011 , 06:19 PM
i imagine there is no prop bet involved, just him slaving away to keep his contract. at least that´s what i would do when i´d be a out of work pro gamer
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01-07-2011 , 11:49 PM
Don't think there's a propbet involved, that's not Chiren's style.
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01-08-2011 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Coko
White-ra, Idra, Ret, Mondragon...

WCG ...
lol at thinking anyone but koreans completely dominate sc1...

maybe waaaaaaaaaay back in the day when broodwar was still new there was a stint when AMD.Grrr and Elky did fairly well... but once the game was at all figured out it has been korean dominated. hint hint: Flash and JaeDong are they greatest to ever play.
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