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Originally Posted by Gzesh
Reread the portion I bolded. You could NOT be more wrong.
I am not wrong.
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Are you pretending/claiming that neither collusion or bots matter to poker players generally or, because you project a rising value for CHPs they may hold, they are compensated that way in the event they do care, assuming I guess they are not cheated out of their CHPs while playing.
This is why I asked Joey the special question. It is special because its a thought experiment that makes a point:
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Let us jump ahead in thought....imagine ACR said, yes we allow bots, and they are our bots, BUT we take the won money and overlay the tournaments and pay out extra prize and rakeback for the players with it, so that the games are more profitable and more liquid....Imagine they said “Joey, we used YOUR strategy profile to make sure that OUR site is the most profitable site in the industry”. Ie they made sure YOU Joey win more on their site than any other, meaning so does every other player...
Would bots and collusion be acceptable? Would you care, if ACR is more +ev than any other site, even if their was rampant cheating. Its a VERY important question, and this is why we are at odds. Because you and the community say how passionate you are about solving this problem of bots. And I keep telling you YOU CANT DO IT. And I keep telling you I HAVE.
It is a special question for joey, because he is a "good player" (not bad), and he wants a profitable game. Because poker isn't fun if everyone loses. But he sees a special problem and the problem has been buggin him: you CAN'T SOLVE BOTS. You cannot stop them, and in fact the more outlandish measures you take the more you encroach on other freedoms the players want and deserve.
So I make a
seemingly weak observation, but it turns out to be the crux of the decentralization protocol which is too big to describe in this post. And so I ask "If games were more profitable today in the future than in todays bot infested waters, would that be acceptable from the players view?"
Compared to what we face, its amazing. For joey, who's heart seemed torn out, its a god send question. It doesn't mean the same to someone that is not passionate about the game, but for those that are, its a very special observation. And it leads to a plethora of other insights.
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I expect that Josem is quite dedicated to having secure and fair games, and would not share your peculiar attitude toward players generally. You are not doing anyone a favor, especially CoinPoker, by implying that it would not matter to players there were there collusion or bots in play.
Every important players in this "game" is very familiar with me and my works and josem is one of them. Josem knows he can't solve the problem of bots, because he is smart. And yes I am doing coinpoker a favor, in fact I created their model and they are first to implement it.
They will police their games and josem will work with the players, and because of how free market theory works, they CHPs price on the crypto exchange will be and indicators of the profitability of their site, so that includes the amount of bots. If their site is full of gto bots the market price ill tank. That is the special model that coinpoker is using. And they know this, their token is a very special device for the players because it REVEALS the effective rake, it shows the otherwise hidden profitability of the site.
No legacy site has this special device, they can't...regulation prevents them
And since the players are EFFECTIVELY shareholders, josem WILL let the players in on the necessary detail so they can work in cooperation, NOT like ACR, NOT like poker stars.
I've had a lot of dialogue with Josem let us not pretend I haven't been apart of this community for many years...you all know thats not true. I've just had my identity stripped, you ALL know me.