So now in some weird twist Girah maybe linked to 44bars...

Come on Joey don’t give up now...we all believe in you

Perhaps I misunderstand the definition of "GTO" but it seems to me that you do not use the world correctly and this would be a relevant point if you trying to accuse cheaters imo.

I read this wrong the first time. I thought you were calling for regulation.

Bots (for example) cannot be stopped. They are arising and will be prevalent soon. Far more so than today. However, if this is your premise you could redesign the industry to be able to target effective rake in such a way that it was transparent to the players. If you did this, could target the profitability, and offer players a "certain" level of it regardless if there are cheaters or not.

This is the approach you want to take. Of course you want some sites to have a security standard (for bots and colluders) but you also want some sites to be wild west and allow such things. Poker bots fighting it out to create better solutions to the game is interesting, and it is valuable to society.

If you put your awareness and the community's awareness on this solution you could solve the problem of bots even though they are unstoppable. Put another way, it is difficult to truly detect the bots from the players view, if the sites don't have incentive to be truthful about their existence.

I once imagined the industry could be set up like this, and I still basically think the general idea is conjecturally sound and would truly solve the problem:



Sorry if this post doesn't seem relevant, but really is because policing opaque sites from the players side is not an efficient approach.

tl/dr "i want hudless 2006 poker back waaah"

on a more relevant note people need to be so naive to think that bots are just recently a problem on acr and ignition. those 2 sites are where everyone who gets baned off ipoker/party/stars etc goes to play once they get tired on continuously getting their accounts banned.

there a low-midstakes mtt botts using the exact untweeked profiles of many mtt accounts banned the past 3 years on party,stars,and ipoker. there are threads dedicated to each of those cases and these guys are all on acr now playing 100% identical stats. its not surprise all of them have their stats blocked on ss, have locations of russia,czech republic etc (same as the ones banned off the other sites) and of course they play every day no breaks

Amazing how many ppl believe in things not based on facts or personal experiences. Funny how all these bots apparently exist yet I never see them. Im done asking ppl for proof anymore. Also traffic is higher now than it ever has been before.

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Hahaha you guys just say anything

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Ahhh seems to be plenty of speculation out there they just forget to provide that proof part

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More horse****...

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You know how long it takes to get elite status kid?? Especially on WPN where there is a lot of low traffic times. Terrible place to even try using a bot. Is making random **** up fun?

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Your stupidity is mind boggling. I wish there was bots would be easier then those regs.

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Bet you anything you want you cant provide that email as proof... emails save forever too so im waiting too see what kinda excuse you come up with of why you dont have it

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OG hipster, who are you next to the stats people posted about suspected bots? There are stats showing players with the same stats over tons of hands. Break down the stats and show they aren't bots or just stop posting. Right now your posts mean nothing.

OG Hipster nice job making 7 separate posts in a row at 3am quoting well thought out posts in the thread with "u suk". Had too much to drink and struck out at the bar last night buddy? At least a mod merged your ****posts into one.

The ladies in Brooklyn are over ironic mustaches and American Spirits.

Now that is a beat, lol.

"Evil prevails when good men stand around and do nothing". Old saying but there's truth in it. But sadly there's more truth in what your friends are telling you. This industry is the nut low (and I mean players) when it comes to standing up for themselves so why should you do so when you'll end up with more enemies for it then friends (after a week).

What you should do is grab the world by the balls and take over Mario Lopez's position on that useless celebrity news show. That will show the poker world that there's a sense of enhanced depth to you that no one in the industry saw before.

the weirdest thing to me about WPN has been the fact that no one ever came to the forum bragging about hitting the Jackpots in Jackpot SNGs, never to my memory and I frequented that forum a long time after they were introduced. You would get some guys chiming in about hitting a small one but never people bragging about hitting the monsters. One guy, early on, can't even remember his name, was on a sick heater in those, hit the biggest or second biggest prizes two or three times in a short period.

I chopped a 69k jackpot when they ran the $69 million jp promo along with 2 regs who were confirmed human last year.

The only thing that ChicagoJoey has managed to do is blast unverified facts to his following who respect him in this community. Pretty sad for someone who is an “icon” huh? One of the guys I know personally that was accused of colluding hsmtt had a pretty bad year along w/ his horse. If he was colluding, he’s pretty bad at it.

Of course bots exist on sites. Programmers are very advanced. Even Stars has and has had bots.. They admit it. The site itself never promoted them just like WPN does not promote them. I agree some sites police them better than others, but this is ridiculous.

So you’re betting I never sent that email? And if I send proof that I emailed them saying I would openly collude and cheat then what?
What are we betting? How much? Escrow?

I'd argue that bots are difficult to stop right now, but eventually I think that the probability that a site can detect bots will increase drastically.

That's because sometime soon, bots will become so good that their play won't even resemble human play at all. The pros who played Libratus noticed that the program made several decisions that they'd never seen a human make.

When the technology gets better, the botters will be forced to upgrade, because breakeven bots will be crushed by stronger software. It will be an arms race between botters, who will adapt better and better bots to keep from losing to their competition. At some critical point, everyone's bots will be so strong that their play will clearly inhuman and easily distinguishable from humans.

Would your perspective possibly be skewed as a big backer and someone that profits off of people playing on this network by charging 10% vig to cash out?

AFAIK, Joey wasn't talking about those guys listed colluding in MTTs, though that is definitely occurring on a daily basis(not claiming the listed accounts are at all), he was talking about those accounts colluding in HS cash games. You can play honest in one format (where the luck of the draw determines your ability to collude) yet cheat in another.

props to joey but i been saying this for a long time they got bots on here. And 2+2 people gave me hard time saying I am a bad player, go get coaching, I am paranoid etc. I am glad he said something. I was trying to help the community and warn acr of the problems and I was ignored. CAn't ignore the big papi

One of the accused accounts in question doesn't even play cash.. What does that tell you? I suppose you didn't bother checking those facts before spewing a thread on here, though.

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Shouldn't the fact that I am a backer on the site mean that I want cheaters to prosper less so that my horses can prosper more? Contradicting yourself even more it seems.

Out of curiosity I'd like to ask you, as a backer, who is investing money in the site for a return...do you have concerns as of right now? Could you see reaching a point where you would stop investing on the platform, and if so what stage would you reconsider moving out of the platform?

Most backers I know are caught up in the investment/return aspect of what they do, which is a full time job. Do these occasional reports of returns concern you, or do you discount them?

Is your contention that nobody has ever tried to use a bot on ACR, that all of the bot users have been caught and banned, or something else? I can't figure it out from your post.

Maybe part of the conversation needs to be about what sort of regulations we want when we get to a fully regulated US online poker environment.

If nothing else Joey’s reports about interactions with Phil Nagy were well worth the drama. Is quite telling & the only people willing to overlook it are current WPN winners who just care about their own bottom lines (which are all being undercut by this dirty environment unless taking part in exploiting it). Wrongly accused players should respond and Joey should publicize where he’s been proven wrong.

Being wrong about a few people doesn’t diminish the value of starting necessary conversations that benefit players who strive for a fair poker ecosystem. Shedding light on this bull****, WPN’s inactions, the state of bots and brocode between regs & stables is well worth hurt feelings or drop in action for a few people.

Take a breather Joe, reassess the sit. but please keep going. Even if conclusive proof is tough to pin down you’re doing valuable work.

This guy sent me an email saying he got a video that will prove some of accusations that have been going around. According to him the video is solid and would really hurt WPN. He also states the video is a few years old and doesn't know how to edit videos to hide the identity of the person. The video is a full tournament and very long so it will take some time to upload/transfer. I also have to agree not to reveal any players identity on the video before he sends it.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=284

I can edit out any parts of the video and hide any information desired.

I think this could be a likely path, the problem is, you would need a total re branding of online poker. Humans would have been beat so much, little would want to even come back. It would be hard to bring back casuals and even regulars without some serious re branding, most likely on a new site all together.

He's going to find some fast internet locally and Skype it directly. I'll let you all know after I review.

please post a link here for the community to view, or pm me a link. if you want to black out certain screen names that is reasonable, but please don't redact the whole video.