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Thanks. I guess my ask is given the current state of sites which are the best/more quality out of the group available?

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05-03-2018 , 11:15 AM

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Dick Tracy

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Originally Posted by Sir Huntington

Literally not even playable right now and barely playable for the last 5 days or so. They's been having "DDOS" attacks since the software update. I had 1 day that I could actually get some hands in during this time.

I don't think the DDoS attacks are a BS excuse...

A lone wolf or a group of hackers could easily attack these black market poker sites for untraceable crypto ransom without any repercussion. Who can WPN go to about being DDoS'd? The FBI?

I've sometimes wondered if these black market sites hire hackers to DDoS the competition.

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05-03-2018 , 01:36 PM

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BustedNuts16

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Originally Posted by Dick Tracy

There are plenty of anti ddos tools and companies to help offload the attacks though

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05-03-2018 , 02:42 PM

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ezdonkey

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Originally Posted by Dick Tracy

I've sometimes wondered if these black market sites hire hackers to DDoS the competition.

This, but I wondered if it's Amaya

FWIW, I think Party has been under some DDoS attack recently as well. During the last week my client has lagged significantly, often to a point of timing out during hands, while Internet and every other poker site worked 100% fine.

I guess their servers are better prepared to take the load & attacks.

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05-04-2018 , 06:39 AM

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Dick Tracy

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Originally Posted by BustedNuts16

There are plenty of anti ddos tools and companies to help offload the attacks though

Of course, but by this logic, DDoS attacks should never happen anywhere ever because there are methods of preventing it???

WPN has demonstrated poor security for a while now. Hackers are probably more clever than WPN's staff.

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05-04-2018 , 10:58 AM

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BustedNuts16

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Originally Posted by Dick Tracy

Yeah of the company took the budget to invest in the proper tools and companies to mitigate things like this then yes, it should, in theory never happen. Especially at this rate of duration and amount of times.

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05-05-2018 , 12:09 PM

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iburydoscocaroaches

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Oh really? You have proof of this.

Twoplustwo has always taken the high road on disreputable situations and tries very hard to let the free speech discussion flow so that the real facts have the greatest chance of being realized and understood. There are many examples of this on the forum. This is not a management driven forum. It is member driven forum that grants significant latitude to its members' thoughts and opinions.

2+2 does stick up for the sites then the players from my experience. And their threads have gone downhill. You can't keep deleting peoples thoughts cause a moderator personally doesn't like them. If people don't have freedom of speech then they will go on other forums. But to be fair i think over the last year o2+2 is allowing more posts and more freedom of speech from concerned players. So its turning around and I think the moderators are being a lot more fair then years past.

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05-05-2018 , 03:59 PM

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Bobo Fett

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Originally Posted by krcmdc

Which brings me back to my original point, which was that imo, the evidence for plausible suspicion has already been provided when someone like Joe Ingram states that in his opinion, he plays against superusers. (Edit: And I should have written in the other post that this is the best evidence we can possibly expect as opposed to have.)

Forgot to reply to this earlier. You made a number of good points, some of which I agree with, but this one I take some exception to. His post was a good starting point, but the longer it goes with no follow-up, the less value it has IMO. When, several weeks later, neither he nor anyone else has been able to follow up with anything further, it makes it more likely that his suspicions were incorrect. Or that he's looking in the wrong direction for the culprit - if very few people have suspicions, perhaps they've been victimized individually through some sort of malware.

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05-09-2018 , 10:55 AM

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shutdown

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Originally Posted by Amnesia_Haze

After my withdrawals are processed I will drop some bombs about WPN. Stay tuned.

looking forward to reading

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05-09-2018 , 08:49 PM

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OOMPDADDY

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Hey Everyone,

I need thoughts on this. I’m so upset.....

I witnessed two accounts colluding where they were from the same location and 1 account was created yesterday. They would 2bet, and 3 bet every open and do the same on the flop. If you got it in pre they would both come along. They were just stealing pots from the whole table. If they were together they were check it down. ;(

Why can’t PS just be in the USA

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05-09-2018 , 09:08 PM

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DrawNone

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Russians?

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05-09-2018 , 09:32 PM

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FUJItheFISH

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contact winning td in the internet poker forum and also email support! cant really tell if collusion based on location alone but some hand histories would help greatly.

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05-09-2018 , 09:52 PM

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https://www.csoonline.com/article/21...on-attack.html

Hackers have been attacking offshore gambling sites for years.

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05-12-2018 , 12:45 PM

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farrispoker

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based solely on my experience it definitely does NOT feel right, my results on ACR as opposed to live or even online home games is significantly worse. The proof seems to be there as well.

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05-12-2018 , 01:28 PM

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MangoBall

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Originally Posted by farrispoker

based solely on my experience it definitely does NOT feel right, my results on ACR as opposed to live or even online home games is significantly worse. The proof seems to be there as well.

Because live players are significantly more skilled than online regs

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05-12-2018 , 08:29 PM

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Bobo Fett

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Originally Posted by farrispoker

The proof seems to be there as well.

Care to share it with us?

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05-13-2018 , 12:37 AM

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netgod44

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Bobo

you are just obv at this point

and no I don't care to share cuz anyone who has followed this thread and others will know what I mean

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06-14-2018 , 10:26 AM

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mysticriver5

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A little update on the PokerKing SnG bot squad winnings. Yes, same old, same old... But guess what? I won't never let this go. https://gyazo.com/ac0a76ec2928ecd21fa5acb2b7ceb333

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06-14-2018 , 10:43 AM

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Sir Huntington

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How many accounts are in that group and I'm assuming they are still playing?

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06-14-2018 , 12:33 PM

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The Full Ring Nit

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Originally Posted by farrispoker

based solely on my experience it definitely does NOT feel right, my results on ACR as opposed to live or even online home games is significantly worse. The proof seems to be there as well.

I mean even microstakes online is probably harder than any live/home game you play in... do you have a significant sample size on any sites online to back up your "proof"? Its confirmed bots are in the ACR games but people are still winning for good amounts on this site. Maybe you just dont beat the games?

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06-14-2018 , 01:55 PM

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mysticriver5

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Originally Posted by Sir Huntington

How many accounts are in that group and I'm assuming they are still playing?

Just 10 accounts in that group, the ones I could remember off the top of my head. All of them active to this day, all of them reported multiple times by a decent amout of players over the last months.

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06-16-2018 , 11:23 PM

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tytythefly

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I hope something gives for online poker in the US. It's at an all time low right now. Can it get much worse? I mean that would just mean NOT having global, ACR, or ignition... what would the options be? There are some, but someone else would step up, hopefully with a better option. But it's been tried and tried, no luck, nothing holds. ****, not even FTP HELD!! look how huge they were. Whole industry is just shady

it's such a great game, poker. But as I said, something needs to give.

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06-17-2018 , 12:15 AM

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WhatsUpGuys

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I find it interesting how they gave refunds after Joey made those videos. By them giving those refunds, admits to us we were cheated i the past, why does it take a youtube video to get those refunds? Also lol @ the amounts they chose to gave some people.
Will there ever be more refunds? certainly the cheating has not stopped.
The softplay is absurdly bad in sngs and shame to have to quit because of it

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06-17-2018 , 12:51 AM

#1349

Sir Huntington

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A dude just posted a team bot graph from sharkscope and there are still tons of bots. ACR is just another pathetic site just taking all the money with no real security in gameplay.

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06-17-2018 , 08:03 AM

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Kelvis

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Originally Posted by farrispoker

based solely on my experience it definitely does NOT feel right, my results on ACR as opposed to live or even online home games is significantly worse. The proof seems to be there as well.

That's probably because you are quite a bad player but still manage to find worse players in live games because they really really suck. If you tried PS you would get destroyed even harder but that doesn't mean anything on it's own.

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