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Originally Posted by MCAChiTown
While sites appearing to allow bots strengthens the argument that they may be house bots, it doesn't make it a fact. Without evidence it should not be stated as a fact. If you have suspicions that something is wrong it's ok to ask others what they think, but people should refrain from making accusations without evidence.
You're confusing the words evidence and proof. Assuming it is a rational and logical thought or suspicion, then those thoughts and suspicions can themselves be
evidence. There are a million things that can be used as
evidence that WPN uses house bots. There is a reason that both words exist in the english language. The fact that something is not proof, doesn't mean that it is not evidence. And before it gets mentioned, this isn't an American court of law, there is nothing wrong with chatting about even the weakest of circumstantial evidence on a public poker forum.
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Originally Posted by MCAChiTown
This doesn't make their inaction ok. Let's criticize them for the things we know they're doing wrong and see if we can get them to improve those issues. When we start accusing them of stuff that we "feel" or "think" they're doing wrong, without evidence, it takes the focus away from the things we know they're doing wrong.
I don't know about you, but it doesn't require 100% of my focus to know and understand the things that WPN does wrong. I have plenty of focus left over to speculate with. And now that you mention it, their years worth of
inaction could itself be evidence that they use house bots.
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Originally Posted by MCAChiTown
It's also a good idea to give them some props when they do the right things. Are they still issuing refunds for being cheated? I thought that was very encouraging news when we started to hear about those.
Ffs, you speak of them as if they were an 18 month old child learning to go potty in the big boy potty. They allowed cheaters to steal money from people for years on end and now you want those same people to praise them because they finally decided to return a small fraction of that stolen money to a small fraction of those people?
No, I see it differently, I see the refunds as a diversion, designed to distract everyone from the possibility that WPN is using house bots. Do you believe that it's simply coincidence that for years bots stole money from people while WPN ignored and even belittled complaints while never returning anything, but as soon as people started talking about house bots, instantly, some refunds were issued? Yes, even the refunds could be evidence that WPN is using house bots.
PS: For the record, no, I don't believe that WPN uses house bots. In fact, I don't even care if the bots on WPN are house bots or not. That has nothing to do with my current opinion of WPN. What I do believe is that WPN has been extremely negligent for far too long. It has gotten to the point where I do absolutely believe that at the very least they
knowingly ignored the botting problem on their network for years. And from my perspective, the result of them knowing the botting problem exists and doing nothing, is exactly the same as the result of them using house bots.
I also believe that similar things can be said for the way they've handled software problems, as well as a variety of other cheating problems on their network. They never did anything, they ignored every complaint, they ignored all of the evidence, they even designed their hand histories to make cheating easier while simultaneously making the proof of cheating nearly impossible. They simply did not care the slightest bit about their honest customers having their money stolen. So forgive me, but there is zero chance that I now praise them for taking years to finally decide to do the absolute minimum.