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Chicago Joey accuses WPN (ACR) of massive botting and cheating, beware? Chicago Joey accuses WPN (ACR) of massive botting and cheating, beware?

04-11-2018 , 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by netgod44
DT,

I vaguely remember that. I just remember it as "it worked fine for me I just tried" rather then "I just got done playing it" but I could be wrong

What I will say is a friend of mine a few years back had a strange call with support I believe manager at the time Dave Miller and mentioned getting crushed at HUSNG's last nite as he was rebuying and the rep mentioning having a great nite at HUSNG's the nite before then it got strange silence and they carried on with the rebuy but to this day he still feels the vibe was the rep was playing on the site and may have been needling him.

paranoid feelings I guess go with poker

I just don't get how my entire circle of poker friends profit and sustain a majority of income from poker/wagering and none can profit at WPN. Hard to fake paying a mortgage, car payment , child cost , and living a first world life style in the US for over a decade income earned from poker winnings and then not be able to beat micro/low/mid stakes at WPN

Guess WPN has crushers
You’ve never heard of 44bars?
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04-11-2018 , 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoJoey
The first replies in the thread
"looks to me like a good player, not a superuser." - Lefort



lmao
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04-11-2018 , 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by doctor877
"looks to me like a good player, not a superuser." - Lefort



lmao
If I remember correctly Tramboline made a thread about UB and even Galfond jumped on him about it.
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04-11-2018 , 11:39 PM
LOL I'm playing PLO and I got a guy at the $5 plo tables telling me who the bots are. One player we were playing with at the time and I wouldn't be surprised as the guy is always sitting but I didn't expect them to be at the micros.
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04-11-2018 , 11:45 PM
Yeah seems all levels now, in another thread they found some Russian player playing like 60 hrs straight at 1nl of something close lol
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04-12-2018 , 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoJoey
This type of thing used to happen a ridiculous amount of the time to me as well. I've been playing a lot on other sites recently and haven't seen anything close to it since. I don't think I've encountered one player who played a completely terrible pre-flop style that rarely went to showdown and also ran up stacks in that period of time.

It went from never taking place to, I would encounter 1+ player every session with these type of play patterns. I'm sure I was getting overly paranoid after a bit of time but it was wild.
Oh, hey again, Joey!

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Originally Posted by ChicagoJoey
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Originally Posted by ChicagoJoey
Is anyone still playing on ACR?? What are the games/environment/security like? I haven't opened up the browser before today for weeks. Only $250k overlay last Sunday, not bad. I'm surprised Phil doesn't have enough people to stake to hit that overlay.
Oh, hey Joey...nice to see you back in this thread. It's been a couple of weeks, so you may not remember our exchange that I felt was left a little unresolved, to say the least:

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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
How secure do you feel about your own system?
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Originally Posted by ChicagoJoey
I can tell you've been talking to WPN

Next you will ask me if anyone paid me to make these videos
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Ugh. Seriously, Joey? I haven't talked to anyone at WPN for weeks.

I'm simply trying to get to the bottom of a claim that you've made, multiple times. Hacking on your end is a definite possibility, and I didn't think a simple question about how secure you feel about your own system would be such an issue for you.
It would be nice if you could answer the question about your security, but of course you're not obligated to. I can't see why you wouldn't want to, but that's up to you.

What I think you should do, though, is clarify WTF your post was about. Perhaps it was meant as a joke, but it seems like rather an odd one to make while avoiding my question. And if it wasn't a joke, please show your work.
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Originally Posted by Dick Tracy
Damn, I wish I remembered this when the WPN board was around:
It hasn't gone anywhere, FWIW.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...poker-network/
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04-12-2018 , 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Sir Huntington
LOL I'm playing PLO and I got a guy at the $5 plo tables telling me who the bots are. One player we were playing with at the time and I wouldn't be surprised as the guy is always sitting but I didn't expect them to be at the micros.
They literally don't care. So many BOTs in the PLO games and they won't do anything about it, they need the rake so it doesn't matter if it is a real account or not. Honestly they probably prefer it being a BOT since they can run non-stop
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04-12-2018 , 12:28 PM
Im starting to play on wpn now. Can someone tell me what games are safest from bots? I assume mtt are probably the best option right? What about sngs?


Also are most cash games infested with bots? Im talking about micro and low stakes like 10nl to say 100nl.
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04-12-2018 , 11:52 PM
Loaded 2 tables that had the same 1 person sitting and no joke within 30 seconds or less both tables (6 max) were full with the exact same players.

Coincidence?
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04-13-2018 , 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by RE-DOUGH
Loaded 2 tables that had the same 1 person sitting and no joke within 30 seconds or less both tables (6 max) were full with the exact same players.

Coincidence?
It's called seating scripts, welcome to online poker.
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04-13-2018 , 01:10 AM
Saw something really suspiscious. Was playing 50/100 PLO and 3 regulars in the game, who I play a lot of 6m with too, all showed "disconnected" at the same exact time, while others weren't. They then of course sat out. And within a couple minutes (before the table would have automatically kicked them off) they all simultaneously left. To me this suggests that the players were all using the same internet connection. Perhaps their power went out at the house (they could all be using a VPN too to hide this).

MarionCotillar Scout327 and PL0wned


Screenshot:

The 3 with the orange tag

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04-13-2018 , 03:12 AM
WPN has been having alot of D/C lately ,
and ive seen and had disconnection issues like you just posted , where either me and most of the tables go out, or a bunch of players d/c .
but if this has just happened , then its wierd because i dont recall any problems during my current session ( playing for 3 hours ) .
needless to say i am not related to players mentioned or any other players for that matter

Last edited by PLOwned!; 04-13-2018 at 03:18 AM.
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04-13-2018 , 03:24 AM
Yeah, it's certainly not unheard of for large number of players to be disconnected from a poker site while many more are able to continue playing. I've always assumed regional Internet issues to be the cause.

You know, those tubes can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your message in, it gets in line and it's going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material.
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04-13-2018 , 10:39 AM
I’ve played against PLOwned. Definitely suspicious character!
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04-13-2018 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Yeah, it's certainly not unheard of for large number of players to be disconnected from a poker site while many more are able to continue playing. I've always assumed regional Internet issues to be the cause.

You know, those tubes can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your message in, it gets in line and it's going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material.
Are you ******ed? pls stop!
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04-13-2018 , 11:31 AM
I honestly believe a lot of disconnects on websites are due to bloatware on people's computers.

Computer manufacturers have a lot of junk loaded on PC's these days when you go to buy them. Extra programs made by software companies that pay the computer manufacturers money to load those programs onto their systems. So, everyone has extra useless software operating in the background constantly. These programs automatically make updates and this tampers with other programs.

In order to stop this you have to spend time to shut down these bloatware programs manually. Bloatware just started becoming popular in the computer industry about 5-6 years ago. Which, is about the time we all started experiencing disconnects on poker sites.

I spent a few hours shutting down bloatware programs on my 2 year old laptop and it functioned better on WPN and Bovada than it did out of the box. I've since started purchasing computers made by smaller companies that specifically refrain from loading such extra worthless programs onto their systems. Companies like Cybertron PC, etc. All of the big computer manufactures have crap loaded onto their system that you don't need. Even Windows has programs operating constantly that need to be shut down.

Just fyi.
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04-13-2018 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DSL32
I honestly believe a lot of disconnects on websites are due to bloatware on people's computers.

Computer manufacturers have a lot of junk loaded on PC's these days when you go to buy them. Extra programs made by software companies that pay the computer manufacturers money to load those programs onto their systems. So, everyone has extra useless software operating in the background constantly. These programs automatically make updates and this tampers with other programs.

In order to stop this you have to spend time to shut down these bloatware programs manually. Bloatware just started becoming popular in the computer industry about 5-6 years ago. Which, is about the time we all started experiencing disconnects on poker sites.

I spent a few hours shutting down bloatware programs on my 2 year old laptop and it functioned better on WPN and Bovada than it did out of the box. I've since started purchasing computers made by smaller companies that specifically refrain from loading such extra worthless programs onto their systems. Companies like Cybertron PC, etc. All of the big computer manufactures have crap loaded onto their system that you don't need. Even Windows has programs operating constantly that need to be shut down.

Just fyi.
The first thing you should do when you buy a new computer is remove any programs that you don't want and change the start up programs that load.

I have problems with WPN from time to time, but any time I do many others also do and tend to post on here. I guess with the lack of a forum maybe that is less likely to happen?

I've never seen multiple people get sat out and there not be something on 2+2 about disconnects. I also have got disconnected from WPN less in the last 6 months than I ever have. The only issue I have now is when the entire client spazzes after I click something, seems unlikely that happened to all 3 and then they come back at the exact same time.

May or may not be sketchy, but seems to be closer to the latter, imo.

Good to see you're still in the streets, TC.
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04-13-2018 , 01:52 PM
Eh it's probably more likely something to do with ACR, but idk really. I've not seen that before. There is a "call clock" button at that table when people sit out. I clicked it on all 3 of them. It starts with like 480(?) seconds or so. They all disappeared from the table simultaneously with 350 or so seconds left. Obviously on high alert because of the nature of this site/lack of security.

FreshThyme,

Thanks brotha
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04-13-2018 , 02:25 PM
ok , so since i dont play alot of 50 100 , i managed to find that particular session (50-100) session , which was today about 14 hrs ago .
i dont battle regs at those stakes, so when i sat in , it was because there was atleast one "fun player " sitting .
when he left , i had already doubled up , and clicked "sit out next BB ".
My last hand of that session shows that Scout was supposed to be BB .
So judging from that , he and marrion both clicked sit out , probably for the same reasoning as i did .
It doesnt take me more than a few seconds usually to close a table , and i dont stick around to wait for recs to show up .
i am 99% sure i didnt have any disconnections from the WPN server today , and my internet connection was 100% fine .
As i said before , they have been having a bunch of issues lately , like some tables freezing while other are fine , and random players D/C together , while sometimes one or more of the remaining players weren't .
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04-13-2018 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by coach999
Are you ******ed? pls stop!
Care to elaborate, or just name call?
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04-13-2018 , 03:25 PM
toocurios has played millions of hands at the top stakes and has never seen this. and its on acr. so if he says its fishy its hard not to believe
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04-13-2018 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by TooCuriousso1
Eh it's probably more likely something to do with ACR, but idk really. I've not seen that before. There is a "call clock" button at that table when people sit out. I clicked it on all 3 of them. It starts with like 480(?) seconds or so. They all disappeared from the table simultaneously with 350 or so seconds left. Obviously on high alert because of the nature of this site/lack of security.

FreshThyme,

Thanks brotha
A poker server wouldn't just disconnect a few random players fwiw. If there are server issues, then everyone would have the same issues.

Same as when playing on multiple sites and you are the only one having issues with one or two only but everyone else is playing as normal - the issue is not from the server but between your ISP and the server.
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04-13-2018 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by golfbum983
toocurios has played millions of hands at the top stakes and has never seen this. and its on acr. so if he says its fishy its hard not to believe
I have logged well over a million hands on WPN , and i can tell you for a fact that i have seen this happen more than once or twice .

I can also say with a 100% certainty that i didnt have any issues with my internet connection .

If i were in toocurioso's shoes i would also feel suspicious , as i have felt myself when i saw multiple players D/C for the first times .

I am simply providing information to what has happened / not happened from my end .

its not fun seeing your name being mentioned in a very negative manner , for no reason at all .
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04-13-2018 , 09:05 PM
PLOwned!,

I understand what you're saying but on top of the disconnecting all 3 of you were removed from the table at the same time (while having ~300+ sec left on the clock). Could that have happened because you all clicked leave table and WPN removed you after the hand?

So to summarize you're saying some WPN disconnect-glitch/flash & sitout, all leave table at same time/after a later hand?

Tbf there was still another fun player at the table. And he was complaining about what he saw too.

I mean I haven't suspected anything from you, I know of your name. And it would be an odd group to be colluding/sharing but I'm just trying to make sense of what I saw that's all. I am not saying I think anything for sure either way.
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04-13-2018 , 10:08 PM
I play the games quite frequently and would be super surprised if there was anything shady going on with those 3. This one is of understandable concern but I’ve seen a lot of baseless accusations lately. Scout exclusively plays higher stakes while plowned occasionally jumps in but normally plays midstakes. And they play a lot differently. Not saying for sure nothing is going on but seems incredibly unlikely. I’ve had disconnection issues in the past with fine internet. If they all left at the exact same time it’s shady. Are you 100% sure of that statement? Cause that is more concerning I’d definitely true. Just my thoughts

Ps quite sure scout is a well known high stakes reg whom I won’t name. Not sure about marion
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