Just because the site allows it, doesnt mean it isnt multi-accounting. I never said it was illegal, obviously it is not in this case with WPN. WPN allows a form of multi-accounting. As I said before, this is not as bad as having multiple accounts and playing them at the same time.

I'm not sure what the criticism is here, isn't that exactly what I am saying by pooling players? If you sign up for a $5 $2k on ACR at 2:00 PM, and another dude signs up for a $5 $2k on a different skin at the same time, you will both be in the same tournament. In this example pooling and sharing is the exact same thing. Not sure how I am wrong.

Well as you can see from some other posts, it seems somewhat mixed. Some people don't care as long as it isn't against TOS of the network. I personally do not like it because I think it does eventually lead to people playing in the same tournament or cash table with multiple accounts much more often. I have no empirical evidence of this, just logically it makes sense.

I understand that some people do it in order to get the bonuses, and I don't see anything necessarily wrong with that, but as I said, I think it does lead to playing multiple accounts at the same time.

if you're single tabling, every tournament becomes re-entry.

This should be deemed, the HUD defense. It's the exact same argument and it's correct.

So basically, the skin thing is alright with you but you think people cheat. Aren't cheaters the problem in that case?

If WPN is about security, how TF is Chlore allowed to play? This is an obvious bot

There is a simple program that allows people to use the same program more than once at the same time

I played on several skins of Merge years back. I play on many WPN skins.

Not only multi accounting, I'm a monster and have FOUR accounts!!

The only explanation I can come up with for you continuing with this is that you're using multi-accounting in a different way than the poster who brought this up was. Yes, WPN allows you to have multiple accounts on the network by having one on each skin, much like other networks have done for over a decade. When poker players refer to multi-accounting as a bad thing, cheating, etc., they are referring to playing on multiple accounts at the same time in order to collude, soft-play, or even have more information than they should. Having accounts on different skins could, if the software allows it, make it easier to cheat this way. Of course, that would be a pretty stupid way to do so, as the site knows the accounts belong to the same person. If someone wants to cheat by multi-accounting, they're going to do so using different IPs, IDs, etc.

This is a really weird statement. It's kind of like saying having a ski mask isn't as bad as robbing a bank. Or having a computer isn't as bad as making racist posts on the Internet. There's nothing bad about having accounts on different skins. Nothing.

It's not in any way, shape, or form mixed. Did you read the post you replied to? He asked if having accounts on different skins was "looked down upon/unethical". No one in this thread has suggested that it is. Not even you.

It sounds like the argument you have here is really with the network, not the players. Yes, multiple accounts could be used to play at the same time, if the software doesn't disallow this, although as I mentioned, it would be a foolish way to cheat.

But that wasn't how this all started - it started with a snide remark by another poster about someone having more than one account, implying that he was cheating. Then you came in with your "it is pretty close to multi-accounting" post. It's not.

Thank you for your recent help in making this a better forum xBANx.

Oh, hey Joey...nice to see you back in this thread. It's been a couple of weeks, so you may not remember our exchange that I felt was left a little unresolved, to say the least:

It would be nice if you could answer the question about your security, but of course you're not obligated to. I can't see why you wouldn't want to, but that's up to you.

What I think you should do, though, is clarify WTF your post was about. Perhaps it was meant as a joke, but it seems like rather an odd one to make while avoiding my question. And if it wasn't a joke, please show your work.

Yea I forgot that WPN actually has many skins and allows sth like that. Sad!

Yes, this is indeed a sad attempt at an apology for incorrectly implying someone was cheating.

What do you call it when someone has 2 or more accounts on same network and actively using more than one?

Assuming that "actively" doesn't mean simultaneously, then it's called playing internet poker on a network, as opposed to a stand alone site such as Stars. Calling it cheating is wrong.

Fwiw, I'm very much opposed to allowing one person to have accounts on multiple skins of a network, but not because I worry that it promotes cheating from players. But rather because imo it creates a poaching environment between the skins, which is great for the players in the short term, but long term it leads to the skins cheating each other and the network, which eventually leads to an abysmal poker network, eg: Merge 2012, or WPN 2018.

I must have had 5 or 6 accounts on different iPoker and microgaming skins, a bunch on whatever networks Poker Room, Doyles's Room and William Hill were on, an account on Party Poker and Empire Poker, and an account on AP and UB. I apologize for my cheating.

I have never used the word cheating btw. Just so everyone is aware. And with "actively" I do not mean simultaneously either. Joey had evidence tho that some people were playing on more than one acc at the same time using certain software.

Okay, I don't know the details of what Joey knows, but the problem isn't that players have accounts on multiple skins.

If a player is allowed to have an account on multiple skins, all in his own name, and those accounts can ever be ran simultaneously, under any circumstances, then the problem is a lack of effective security.

If those accounts are not all in the same name, then all of the accounts could have been created on the same skin, so having accounts on multiple skins is irrelevant, and the problem is a lack of effective security.

them continuing to run the granddaddy tourney is so shady, like WTF? They are overlaying a few hundred K for awhile now and continue to run it. HOW, lmao? half the sites, like Merge, are adjusting their $800 gtds based on the past. But not WPN, they are just eating $200k weekly like it's nothing. I don't even pay attention to it but I know it's been an ongoing thing. I even had a live player say something to me the other day about it who probably wouldn't have known what WPN is prior to hearing that news.

They sent an email out a couple days ago saying that last week's overlay on the milly was over 250k. I think this sunday is the last time they're running it. Very tempting to play, but **** WPN

It seems WPN is willing to sacrifice some profits for a few months to grow in order to make more profits later down the road, which is smart. This is a common business practice if you are trying to grow. I don't know the specifics of WPN's financial situation, but overlay is the last thing on the list of what I worry about with them. I find it hard to believe that even with all of the overlay they aren't raking enough overall to still be very profitable.

So I agree that for the most part people are talking about using multiple accounts at the same time is the cheating part. There are some however that believe having multiple accounts that may not play at the same time, but are used as a disguise is also a form of multi-accounting. I don't know why you can't get that I am saying it isn't as big of a sin as the first example, but to some it is viewed as not 100% on the up and up.

So there is something bad about having multiple accounts on different skins. You can more easily disguise who you are. Now that doesn't mean you are cheating, but to say that it isn't negative at all is in my opinion a little naive.

I did read most or all of the posts in this thread, and other threads in the past that have discussed these issues. And it is somewhat mixed. There are many people who believe that having multiple accounts, even if they are not playing at the same time, is a form of multi-accounting.

Giving what we know about ACR, and its lack of security, again I think it is somewhat naive to think that having multiple accounts on a network does not lead to playing in the same event at the same time much more often. I have admitted I do not know all or most of the security protocols that WPN has, but from what we publicly do know, I think it is safe to say that having 5 or 6 accounts that can pool into the same tournament, just having that ability, makes it much easier to do the worst form of multi-accounting. You might think it is foolish, but it doesn't seem like anyone is doing any real security at this network, so not sure what the probability of getting caught actually is.

I hope that people ITT realize that is makes much more sense for someone who is nefariously multi-accounting (eg entering more than 1 account into the same tournament or playing on the same cash table), to use an account with different personal details (name, address, dob, etc) on the accounts, rather than the same

Skins talk to each other, networks have oversight, etc. It would be a terrible idea to MA like this with the same details

As has been previously pointed out by several posters many networks allow you to have 1 account per skin. This gives everyone, jurisdiction dependent, the ability to have more than 1 account on the network, which negates much advantage for using many accounts to remain under the radar, as everyone can do it

Re using multiple accounts on the same network to disguise yourself (vs using it to bonuswhore back in the day), ike did it on AP to get action from prahlad, who knew his UB account and wouldn't play him, but didn't know his AP account https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=335

This is cross-posted from one of my posts in the Beginners Forum. The talk was about unfair advantages, including HUDs. I disagreed with the way that "unfair" advantages were discussed. Here is that post:


I look at this an entirely different way, and it applies to any competition, not just poker. I can boil it down to one sentence:

In any competition, especially when money is involved, serious players will do anything they can to get an edge.

Getting a chair in a major orchestra is as difficult as making it into the NFL. I know of a musician who had an oboe custom built to fit the size of her hands.

American Football players use technology. They study film of their opponents. Coaches have laptops or tablets on the sidelines.

My cousin got a full-ride scholarship to college when she won 5 high school state track championships (the two mile run her senior year and cross-county all four years.) Her edge was that she got free coaching from her father, who three times finished in the top 50 of the Boston Marathon.

Yes, people buy things, they get coaches and they use technology to get an edge. All competitors do that, whether it's poker or sports or the National Spelling Bee. I got private music lessons that helped get me into an army band, where I played and sang for 23 years and traveled all over the world. I use technology (an online coaching site, Holdem Manager 2 and an equity calculator for study) for poker as well.

I see no reason to call it cheating because it's poker, when we would never say that about football film study or a spelling coach. I play a lot, I study 10 hours a week, and I will continue to do everything that I can (within the rules) to get an edge at the table.