3/9/18 I sent an inquiry to ACR's security team about refunds for Hyper HUSNG's in regards to the russian bot ring that was clearly removed by WPN around the time Phil Nagy waged his bot war.

There was no foul language, screen names were clearly listed, and I tried to be as concise as possible.

It is now 3/27/18 and I have not gotten a reply back.

Security has really stepped up the game(yeeeah right thread), players don't fall for all this nonsense that WPN is trying. They are only further manipulating the population to protect the best interest of the network not the players...as always!

They don't pay security,support,software and I assume less taxes then legal regulated sites.

Kinda like the plumber on craigslist comared to the plumber in the yellow pages...IDK prob a bad analogy

i sent security an email about a week ago and have had no reply aswell

Perhaps, the owners of the sites behind the scenes are already involved in more serious crimes than operating illegal gambling sites?

Simply having a site shut down and paying some fines is laughable to the mafia. As are overlays. These aren't exactly Wall Street businessmen owning these sites.

I always found in interesting that Calvyn Ayre owns a coffee grounds exports business on the side. Given that's a common method of transporting illegal drugs and this is essentially an illegal gambling site. Probably just a coincidence, though. Probably...

Exactly. If I were a pro playing on WPN, I would swiftly withdraw my bankroll and never play there again.

Remember that it was Pokerstars who bailed out Full Tilt players' balances, not the DOJ or any government. If WPN goes down, no one's going to bail them out.

Can you answer me this:

Why would any pro attempt to keep a 5/6 figure bankroll on a US facing poker site post-BF, knowing the huge risks involved and high likelihood of bots/cheaters/super-users on the site?!?

to some, $20 is not worth the risk-reward, or that's their threshold.
to some, $200 is not worth the risk-reward, or that's their threshold.
to some, $2000 is not worth the risk-reward, or that's their threshold.
to some, $20000 is not worth the risk-reward, or that's their threshold.

some people certainly have $20k on sites you describe, evidently it is justified in their minds.

Has anyone been watching those 50-100 "7 day no rat hole" games that run all the time. The amounts some of those players have are like the good old FT days. WTF but I love it. And you can only buy in for 1k. It's like a flip fest until you build a stack.

Phil said you will always get paid if you can get past the bots and colluding! No need to worry about not getting paid.

Just got an email refunding $2.55 from unfair gaming practices.. lol

The Winning Poker Network Game Integrity Department has investigated and recently uncovered unfair gameplay practices carried out by a player on the WPN that breached our terms and conditions.

While we cannot publicly disclose the name, specific activity, or account associated with this offense, we have closed access to this player’s account. This email reflects that we are currently refunding any account that was potentially affected, including yours.

As a result, we’ve issued a full refund of 18.89 to your player account ########, which accounts for losses you incurred versus the account in question arising from improper play during the breach of terms and conditions.

We take game integrity and security very seriously at the Winning Poker Network. We work proactively to detect and prevent inappropriate playing activity and also investigate every potential unfair gameplay practice that is reported.

Should you wish to report any potential problem or possible game infraction, please don’t hesitate to email us at gameintegrity@winningpokernetwork.com and we will thoroughly investigate the matter.

Kind regards,

Game Integrity Department
Winning Poker Network

LOL Did Joey start a revolution?

I just got 3.10 from WPN refunded. Thanks Joey!

$13.05.... looks like a wave of refunds.

I just got the same E-Mail as well. $25.74 for me. From what I remember, the money was lost open-shoving every hand for 10 minutes or so at NLO8 25. Seems kind of silly to think that I was freerolling while being on monkey tilt, but hey, I´ll take it.

WPN forum will be removed from the forum lists in a few days.

No special significance to the timing nor is it a big event - we kept the links around for a while so our members wouldn't wonder why it seemed to just disappear all of a sudden, but now it's time.

The forum will still be able to be accessed via the URL just like other retired forums, and posts there should remain searchable.

And this changes nothing in terms of our future with WPN - we would still be open to them returning if they wanted to and were able to respond satisfactorily to the concerns we raised. Their reps are also welcome to continue responding to players' concerns, whether they advertise with us or not, as if the case with all site reps.

this just sounds nitty

IMO WPN not responding for this long would now raise a new concern of why the F have you not responded for soooooo long

I get remaining neutral as for one you are a mod, and two that was a business relationship and why burn a bridge, wait though wasn't that line crossed once the choice to pull them to begin with was made? Was it not made to help address serious concerns?

Cuz if it was I would think at this point the stance should be met with a different tone,maybe the same tone that some posters are met with. While I agree some posters are well unique isn't this situation reached "unique status yet? Time for the dbaggery tone towards themIMO

lots of words in that front page post and lots of tiptoing around passive aggressive moves

I call bs

I think you use this word differently than most people.

Apparently you don't.

No, not from our perspective.

Yes. What makes you think it wasn't?

Not sure how that would help anything.

Passive aggression requires some aggression.

On what? Everything I posted was 100% true.

It is the perception of our reality that governs the perspective towards our life

You are having it both ways here and that is what I challenge as bs,flawed thinking whatever you wanna call it.

When you answer
Was it not made to help address serious concerns?
Yes. What makes you think it wasn't?



and

you can't have it both ways here.

If you are addressing serious concerns of members by contacting WPN to create a dialog and they do not respond back thus resulting in removal of an advertising agreement directly as a result that IMO qualifies as aggression.

How could it not?

If the original goal was to address concerns via discussion and the simple act of a discussion did not occur then the original goal of addressing members concerns was never achieved.

So you pulled advertising and never addressed concerns through discussion

Yeah I would say it is time to stop coddling and tiptoeing around with open ended statements that allow for a future business relationship and be actively seeking answers to those concerns as this brand advertised and promoted and allowed a platform for an illegal site for US players who they actively market towards to be cheated from unfair gameplay and breach of TOS for YEARS!

I would be pisssed and would be highly aggressive in protecting the BRAND that WPN may have damaged although ultimately 2+2 should take responsibility for engaging with WPN to begin with.

I don't have to remain neutral I am a consumer of a product. A product that actually cheated me and I have no recourse. I accept this as buyer beware is a responsibility I accept as I actually knew the risk so I am not playing the poor victim just a victim

Now some ill informed people may have consumed WPN's product as a direct result from your advertising and may have been cheated as a result of that.

My point accept responsibility for what is reality.

No I use the word "nitty" in proper context.
2+2 is skeered taking the maybe we are beat in the form of wanting to protect its members and address concerns, but what if wpn isn't doing anything so lets not go all in just in case they have the nuts

Both ways you miss value cuz you want min cash on the bubble.

I'm inclined to be a Bobo Fett apologist prob about as much as wants to be seen as a WPN apologist. I don't think you're appreciating his position (and "appreciate" in this case, means "understanding, or having empathy for" and not "we owe ya one" or "thanks for everything" FYI). Nothing that Bobo has really said is something I would have serious qualms with. He seems to wear many hats, which likely requires a nuanced approach to most/all issues that come across his desk on 2p2, big and small. "Player" might not be one of those hats.

Players don't have to be neutral and can voice their concerns about what has gone down. I def agree with your assessment in that respect. I've been pretty much all negative in my posts about WPN.

But for one reason or another, they have started giving back some refunds, at least. As always, it's prob not a proper accounting for all money unfairly gained at the expense of fair-playing humans but it is better than what they were doing a couple months ago.

As a fellow player (but not on WPN any longer), I believe most of our frustration should be directed at WPN. Or their front man. Or their site rep. A lot of people deserve our ire more than Bobo and 2p2. They are a small part of the WPN fiasco imo. They reacted appropriately imo (and some have even said they were TOO tough on WPN, a sentiment I don't share).

I don't fully understand the poker hands analogy at the end of your post, so maybe I'm not much of a player. I am a lifetime loser on WPN.

Bobo - re the "I call BS" statement - I believe it is an allusion to the 17 children who were murdered at a high school in Florida. The student-led protests for stricter gun control used the phrase "I call BS" as part of their call and response during a protest broadcast to millions on the US political networks. I am not sure how that situation relates to this one. That's just my read and I could be wrong as, again, I'm a lifetime loser on WPN.

Who are you talking to?

I'll say whatever I please about Cartel guys. Which, is who owns this shady site.

What you gonna do about it?

That's exactly what I was thinking WPN's response is...

I'm not going to bother going through this point by point this time. It seems your position basically boils down to you having an issue with us not having WPN on blast and ripping them to shreds or something. I have no idea what you think that would accomplish, but thanks for your input.

and the method of sending a request for discussion waiting waiting and no response still

I have no idea what that accomplished, BUT thanks for trying to address members concerns

He can't please everyone so he's focused on the literate members and the adult members sorry.

ive noticed ACR is doing heavy advertising in my area ( florida) on regular television. i was wondering if anyone else has noticed the same thing. being that its an illegal site here im wondering if they are planning on taking deposits and waiting to get raided or something? anyone else notice the ads in your areas?

I live in Michigan and we have no law that addresses online poker one way or the other, though there is a big push to get state-regulated online poker here. The PPA says that Texas, followed by Michigan, will probably be the next two states to get regulated sites.

I have not seen a commercial for any poker site, except for WPT.com, for at least the last two years. I play on ACR and on Juicy Stakes Poker.