tougher competition.

rigtard status.

Not sure how this is at all relevant to my posts or being productive in the least in this conversation. But regardless here you go it has already been addressed:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=141

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=146

I wrote to you that the info was public knowledge so I didn't pay much attention to crafting a perfect response after a bunch of rambling angry PMs.

Your rambling angry PMs after locking your thread is what got you barred from posting there, not the actual thread.

For one they were not angry rambling Pm's. The thread I linked was a valid one regarding the winning poker network and I asked why it was taken down. You immediately insulted me and told me to post in BBV. I did not even claim it was rigged! I said it would be good to open a discussion regarding this site as there seemed to be fishy things going on that now have been proven. I even stated that they were very good with cashouts and have kept an open mind instead of just shilling for the site like you have. You said "I have no financial interest in the site outside of playing/stable I run. I just wasn't going to further derail the thread with your nonsense of shouting. I don't gain much for shouting over stupid. You are hereby disinvited from posting in the WPN forum. Any further posts will result in a request to be banned from the entirety of 2+2"
Will not derail this thread further just wanted to make it clear to other poster you were insulting here that you are nothing but a lying shill. You have to be joking about crafting the perfect response and forgot to mention given it is public knowledge!

I really don't have the energy to correct your out of context posts of PMs. All I can say is that it was more a body of work of ludicrous posts/threads that led to a shorter leash on closing that thread. I.E. https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...80/?highlight= https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...1&postcount=25

Giving an opinion on a sites cash games that is now coming out to be true put me on a short leash? I do admit the sports book post was a bit dumb, but in reality you just looked up these post after the fact just now to try to make your point look more valid. How could saying you have no financial interest therefore are not biased be taken out of context? It was a pure and utter lie. Anything negative about ACR you would immediately shoot down as nonsense cause you do in fact have a financial interest. If it were not for Chicago Joey and his reputation sure you would have told him to post in BBV as well i am guessing? Should have just come out and said look I make money as an affiliate of this site. No negative opinions about the site will be tolerated.

Nothing you just wrote is based in reality.

Are we talking about the same thread? I see a thread where:

• Over about 9 months, somewhere around a half dozen players claim to be well under EV at WPN, consistently. Then there are a few more that talk about runs below EV, but aren't specific about what site. Also 1 player complaining they were well below EV on Lock, another on Bodog, and one more on Microgaming.
• You claimed back in 2014 that you had quit the site and felt much better since then.
• Two years later, you bump the thread talking about how corrupt the site is. No one responds for a year. That reply nets two more responses from players running under EV.

I guess I just don't find it as compelling as you do. Given that your post was nothing more than "anyone else running under EV" and a link to that thread, and considering how many similar threads are started, I'm not shocked it was locked.

But you never answered my question about all the deleted threads (which that one wasn't) - were they any better? Were they the same? Did you just keep recreating the same thread?

I didn't gloss over anything. I didn't respond to it, because I wasn't part of the original exchange. Not knowing what you asked nor how he responded, I couldn't say much. But it seems he's since answered you himself.

The bigger issue to me is how you guys think going back to the Thrash well over and over again is in any way helpful to this thread.

I agree back and forth will solve nothing and will leave it as is but he was one sided and treated any negative feed back about the site as crazy talk. I started to play again on ACR when had issues with Bovada due to the state that I reside in. Also played ACR more recently due to the fact that Ignition does not have any real HU plo action. I consistently was playing a good amount of 100nl to 400nl 6 max NL a little while ago on ACR and noticed some strange things as well with regard to play. If you play on ignition and ACR you notice Igntion there are far more dumb plays and weaker players that result in "crazy" suckouts! Although anon tables the players play consistently and never have once claimed I thought something strange was going on but again anon tables vs players you see everyday. Many that did post in the threads were regulars I saw everyday and was interested to open a dialogue as shared hole cards can obv effect things. Should have been smarter about it and avoided certain players I suspected of super using but I kept playing and again sounds like tin foil hat talk. All 3 players that crushed me were from Russia and played very strange on boards and preflop. 4 bet calling 5 bets with kj87 then flating a 3 bet to double suited aces. These were not fish doing random things but regs crushing day in and day out. So to answer your question ACR was the best option when Igntion and bovada restricted certain states as I was still profitable. I gave an honest opinion of what I thought about ACR, thought they are great with cashouts and fast but felt something sketchy was going on so if you had another option play there. There are tons of similar threads about running under ev and complaining and maybe was written off and such but when you see a bunch of regs you see everyday posting this vs ZOMG online poker is rigged it is different... I can understand how that might be hard to see unless you played with those posting.

Could be wrong but any rigtard would be much more likely to accuse ignition of foul play given the crazy calls and all ins you see there on a a regular basis given the weaker competition. When you see regs who play solid and take very weird lines in certain spots it raises some eye brows. The hand that had me slow down and quit 1 opponent there was hu plo 3 bet double suited qqs he calls a q 5 flop middle set pot 115bb deep turn 6 pot again bringing 2 fds. Pot again he flats. River blank and he has Double suited Aces with neither fd? So I am committed on any draw after pot on flop and turn yet he flats turn? Same guy who 4 bets k8j7 and is always sitting with huge stack every day. To me that set off alarm bells can see how this can be seen has LOL bad beat talk but these are people crushing every day taking very strange lines, Did he misclick twice?

I am disappointed in 100 different things, I feel you on that.

I 1000% believe there are superusers on the site. I do have a couple of hour video of the main account I suspected from previous encounters with and encounters after with. I have played tens of thousands of hands on this website, in the games, I am speaking on and suspect it was happening against other players during this time but no type of definite proof to go with. This is what I had hoped the site would look into (lol looking back at this mindset.)

My main point in all of this is that security is non-existent on the network. Bots are all over the network. Collusion is happening on the network. Obvious glitches on the network aren't being fixed for years. And I believe super using is happening on the network. I think it would be incredibly naive to think that it isn't. Security has shown that it has no possible chance to detect it if it was.

I can see why it might deter from my other points tho but I am fine with it as is. I won't be ever to have something substantial when it comes to it. That is something I was hoping the website would be able to do. When the website INSTANTLY responds to me and says "OMFG NO CHANCE SUPERUSING, NO CHANCE, OMFG, WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT" without doing any type of investigation, I can't take them seriously and believe they have any idea how to detect it. When I see that they cannot detect and fix the most obvious glitch at tournaments, why or how can they ever find superusing. If this point isn't good enough for people, that is fine. I am not the ****ing police here lol, play if you want on the site and don't care if anyone is policing your games.

I have many other things I believe are happening on the site after discussions with many other people that I haven't discussed because I don't have any personal experience with those things or anyone else related in it. That is how I treat any type of concern that I don't personally believe to be going on because of experience.

I will make sure I continue to let people know this, as often as I can.

lol maybe

Thank you.

Hmm. OK, here's how I see it. I can only think of three ways people are going to be seeing your hole cards. But I'm certainly no expert, so if someone out there is and has any other thoughts, I'd love to hear them.

1) WPN software having superuser access built in, as Cereus did.
2) Someone hacking their software.
3) Someone hacking players' computers.

2 would be something we've never seen before, or at least not that I've heard of. That doesn't mean that it isn't (or is) possible, I wouldn't be the one to say either way. 1, well, we know all about where that happened before. Certainly possible on any site, but the poker site would have to know about it, or the software developer at the very least. 3 - I think has happened before, and wouldn't be surprised if it happens again somewhere. I think it's actually the most likely of the three. I'm wondering if you've investigated this on your end.

As for what you say has been WPN's reaction, I'd break it down like this. 1, they would know about already, unless they have a rogue software developer. 2, I'm not sure - if it's even possible, could it be done without them knowing? I'd think not, but again, I'm not an expert. 3 - well, that would be happening on the players' end. Not that the site couldn't have a role to play in helping detect it, depending on how it's happening. So, I could see how a site could be dismissive of this if they are certain that 1 and 2 aren't possible. I'm not saying they should (or shouldn't) be, because that depends on technical knowledge that I don't have, and I also don't know first hand how the exchange between you went.

So, without passing judgement on either you or WPN because I don't think I'm in a position to do so, if I put myself in either of your shoes I can see a path where either of your positions make sense.

I'd really encourage you to look at your own system, if you haven't already, to ensure there's no way you've been hacked, had a Trojan installed, etc. Please forgive me if I'm pointing out the obvious.

I don't think they would know if there is a rogue software developer. They do not develop and maintain the software. They license the software from IGSoft. IGSoft founder is the operator of the skin PokerKing. One of the network skins Poker4you was allowing players to make more than one account and WPN CEO had no idea this was taking place.

Glitches have been shown to take place on the Mac software which change the cards and strength of hand. Who knows what else might be possible through this glitchy Mac client software.

This site has no idea what it is or isn't sure of.

How secure do you feel about your own system?

I can tell you've been talking to WPN

Next you will ask me if anyone paid me to make these videos

Please Go Away . . .

Joey, your videos have had a very positive effect overall. Thank you.

You 1000% believe there are superusers because:
- You have some video (but no statistical analysis showing how unlikely it is that the players you suspect could achieve their results without superusing).
- There could be superusers.
- WPN denies it, but has little credibility.

I'm sure all of these points are true, but what would you say if someone else presented you with this evidence?
Also, care to make a prop bet? I am now 1000% confident that I can make you believe 150% that jackalopes are roaming Mt. Charleston.

There definitely could be superusers. It's a little bit crazy to be entirely convinced that there are superusers, unless you have other evidence that you haven't presented yet. Stay away from crazy.

Again, in general, you've done a very good thing with these videos. And I hope you keep it up, because I have zero confidence that WPN will continue to take game integrity seriously if we don't keep the spotlight on them.

Conspiracy alert:

ACR was gaining more and more momentum after the whole crap fest that was Bovada being "sold" to the Ignition people and coming back, and with ACR's big GTDs like the $1mil.

Ignition had to act fast to keep their player base larger, so they hire Joey.

For every 10,000 views Ignition sent Joey a ticket to enter the daily $10 $5k GTD.

Also betonline said they would give him a coupon to Denny's if they weren't mentioned in any of the videos.

Vids about shady activities on partypoker coming soon, too. Best timeline confirmed.

I don't believe this at all. However:

- We have video evidence that Joey said things that probably hurt WPN's business in the short term. Although if it prompts them to get serious about game integrity it will help WPN in the long term.
- It could be true.
- Plenty of sites and pros have done shady things in the past, so there is a credibility issue.

If my calculations are correct, Joey is 538% certain your theory is true.

Ugh. Seriously, Joey? I haven't talked to anyone at WPN for weeks.

I'm simply trying to get to the bottom of a claim that you've made, multiple times. Hacking on your end is a definite possibility, and I didn't think a simple question about how secure you feel about your own system would be such an issue for you.

Super Using is obsolete and too risky these days especially if cheating is done by more than one account. People just can't resist making mistakes and going overboard and bots programed with super user is just too hard to cover up.

going straight for jugular with that comment

+100. It begs question - didn't all sketchy poker sites from past teach us anything?

winning poker network does NOT get benefit of doubt. and if you need further proof go look at a few yt interviews done by acr ceo. is this imbecile someone you trust with your hard earned deposits and site security?

You have to define super user, but if seeing hole cards is part of it, then there is around 100% chance of it existing. It exists on WPN and every other network. It is ridiculously easy to embed a spy program into a .doc file, shared file in a Skype group, or rogue third party software provider. I'm told there is no chance a network can detect that, too.

My source is someone that was incarcerated for 3 years by the feds for hacking and other misdoings. He now works on behalf of the federal government.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...ighlight=virus

I guess it must not have been crypted. I have heard of sites busting Poker players with screen shots on their computers.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...rchid=58817422

I don't have any idea how it's done. I have a friend that has been able to get I to government servers to the extent that he was locked up for 3+ years. He said it was easy enough to do and never be found out. I haven't a clue personally.