i read it after seeing it posted here's what i saw, just an affiliate link pretty much

Couldn’t find when it was originally written, page content is pretty extensive. It does mention accepting 70 crypto currencies so cant be that old or maybe it’s a page that get’s continuously updated is what it looks like to me. There’s also this maybe 2/3-3/4 down the page - “Has There Ever Been a Scandal at Americas Cardroom? - No, in fact, this group has bailed out other scandals. There may be no other company in online gambling that has bailed out more players from other site’s scandals and bankruptcies. This includes both sports books and poker rooms.” and this at the bottom of it “Reviewed by Joseph Falchetti updated on March 8, 2018”. It’s not an “article” but an affiliate link imo.

Exactly. A bunch of people seem to think the pressing issues aren't bots and collusion but which posts got deleted on a forum that's now closed.

Right, and I'm not sure where he found that John Mehaffey wrote it. I'm not saying that he didn't, I just couldn't find his name anywhere.

But my point was, of course, that portions of that, or possibly all of it, was likely written months or years ago.

Could someone explain how, with all this negative publicity and increased tournament overlays throughout the week, along with decreased traffic.....

THEY'RE STILL RUNNING THE MILLION GTD ON SUNDAY

Biggest red flag to me. Every week it looks like that tournament is gonna overlay massively until the last hour.

Isn't that an attraction for a player? I reg many last level MTT because of the overlay. Punt and pray, min cash can be a DBL or more, how deep do you have to run in a MTT that fills out to double up?

I have fired a few bullets last lvl and Ik people that win multi tickets and just punt last lvl with the tickets

I guess since I didn't get a refund, I am confirmed CRUSHING bots from 2-25 nl over a 250k sample.

This is the only reason I through out the superuser/housebot allegation.
From a fiscal standpoint how can the site be profitable with the overlays and high rakeback program.

It used to be way easier and funner too. You could jump in last second and have 10bb+ and actually play like you were running late to the game. Due to too many people complaining about late reggers, they started moving things around and you could get only like 2-6bb when you late reg.

It's always the losers that start to complain first too. Back in 2013-2014 the formats and structures were perfect but has changed over the years due to the cry babies on Twitch.

Same with all late reggers getting put at the same table because cry babies didnt like tanking. That's the only reason they all got placed at one table making it possible to collude.

Anyone remember Ultimate Bet and Absolute Poker? They had pulled tonnes of shady **** even before the whole super user scandal, and even after that broke, their traffic remained strong. Not what it was, of course, but far more than it should have been. And that included a lot of 2+2ers - further evidence of that would be the Absolute Poker / Ultimate Bet victim remission thread.

Even the worst case of what people think may have been/is happening at WPN is not even remotely close to what happened at Cereus, so it should be no surprise if plenty of people still play in their big events, especially when they see what they believe is going to be a big overlay.

"I know it's crooked. But it's the only game in town." Canada Bill Jones

lmao. I remember UB. Played there vs Phil when I was 16 and actually tested my first bot on that site.

I remember Absolute also. Always got my ass kicked but I was really just 16 yo and a dumb noob.

I played AP quite a lot back then, and I agree that what is happening at WPN is not even remotely close to what happened at Cereus. WPN's problem is far worse. Cereus had a problem with superuser accounts that destroyed the best high stakes cash game players and ran through a few of the major mtt's. As bad as this was, there were still fish everywhere, and it didn't really affect the mid stakes, low stakes or micro stakes games at all. WPN has virtually no fish, and can't even offer a fair 1c/2c game. As bad as what happened to people like Prahlad was, it didn't affect everyone on the site and as far as I know, all the other games were as safe to play as any other games on the internet.

I lived in a place at that time that had really bad internet service, I was constantly dropping connection with my desktop and switching to a laptop with a different internet provider. More than a handful of times, they shut me down and made me explain the problems before allowing me to continue. So at least I know that Cereus had a security department that was constantly on the lookout for shady activity, rather than one pleb waiting for someone to send them a complaint so he can send a vague reply while never actually doing anything.

I'm not trying to praise Cereus, and I'm certainly not saying that a bot account is worse than a superuser account. But comparing a couple superuser accounts across an entire network filled with fish, to a network that has a huge percentage of all its seats, in all of its games filled with bots and cheaters, ...I'll take Cereus, ainec.

I don't want to take us down a Cereus vs. WPN road. I strongly disagree, because I could list many more reasons people shouldn't have been playing at Cereus, but this really isn't the thread for it. My point was simply this - there is a history of people continuing to play at sites despite all kinds of bad publicity, so WPN meeting guarantees in the last hour, or going ahead with a large guarantee that they have been promoting for weeks/months, is hardly indicative of any shady goings-on.

lol? Cereus shut down owing ~$55M USD to players, which they could not pay

I believe the guy when he says he would pick Cereus. I spent well over a year trying to convince some players to leave Lock Poker (when they had not paid out anyone in that time) and was told by many that leaving the 200NL games at Lock for the 50NL games at Intertops (they would have to sell their Lock money for 10-20 cents on the dollar at the time) was beneath them. Guess they played 200NL to the bitter end.

This industry is not particularly known for smart choices by many of the participants .

It seems to me that a lot of sites get glowing reviews when players on the site know better. For example, I have never seen a review that mentions the WPN crashing/lagging issue.

fyp

Me, neither. I do not play on WPN and have no idea if there is either a unicorns running amok issue or a crashing issue mentioned in the original post. I just found the line of reasoning odd .....i.e. apparently, no one playing on the site giving a review has mentioned an issue as existing, including Poker Clif if he plays there, therefore, "players on the site know better".

We have to keep two things in mind when we have these discussions:

1. People might play at a site, even knowing the problems, because out of a lot of bad options, it's the best choice for them. For example, if you want to use play deepstack tournaments with big prize pools, that disqualifies Juicy Stakes Poker because the player pool is very small. Other sites are out if you want to use a HUD. WPN might be the default choice for some people.

2. You used the word "publicity." Most poker players aren't on poker forums or reading sites like Poker News Daily and they don't know about bot and collusion scandals.

Absolutely. And there are some who don't think that what's going on is a big deal. Lots of reasons people make choices.

It wasn't really my word, but that of the person I replied to. And I'd agree with you - there will also be some people who aren't aware.

It doesn’t say anywhere who wrote the article however when you click on the bit which says to tell them if anything is wrong on this article you are directed to a contact page which gives John Mehaffey as a contact stating he is editor in chief for the site.

How can you honestly not worry about this?? You play at the highest stakes and you don't think this stuff is happening right under your nose? I'm truly amazed!

The games you play in, there's almost certainly people colluding and using all manner of real-time assistance software to gain an edge over you. Guys like Patrik Antonius worked this out at least 5 years ago, which is why he and many other pros avoid online games entirely now. It's no longer human vs human, but human vs bot and human vs human using intelligent decision-making software.

I believe this is actually the biggest issue, and least spoken about. With all the various kinds of software in the hands of a strong techie, this has to be a certain threat and almost impossible to detect. If they can live scrape the table and input all that data is to solvers and calculators real time, they would be more problematic than everything aside from some player with the ability to see all hole cards or an outright rigged system.

winning consistently.

I think superuser is worse because you really have no chance against them except for PFAI draws. The bot I found you can hook up PT also so its not always just the same ABC game they play. I also got a bunch of profiles I've been looking over the past couple days to see if I can improve my game.