Has ACR really not said anything publicly about any of this and still allowing most of it to take place??

When are these stats from???

40-50

I'm not even sure 10 games would run from 2plo-600plo if they took all the "bots" on the site.

At this point, what do you guys think is the best approach??? I wanted to give it a couple of weeks to see what developed but people are still using more than one account on the site (ones I've talked about lol.)

They've made it clear their stance on botting, collusion, people using more than one account at once & security in general. I have no idea if they have any intention to make things better.

I have a lot of people saying, "What do you expect? They are unregulated! etc. etc."

I think that drawing awareness continuously to this that if you play on ACR, you are basically saying that you don't mind being cheated by the seat and they are providing you no security is probably best. It is ****ing wild how Americans who feel like they have no other option to be able to play poker (live or online) are the ones impacted by this.

Personally, after seeing the lack of care on ACR's part, I'm pulling my money off the site and moving to Ignition or Global...

Which sucks because I can't use a HUD but there's just not way they're getting any more of my rake. They can go **** themselves.

You can use a HUD on Ignition.

I'm not saying this type of stuff isn't happening on other sites but we've seen this stuff DOES HAPPEN on ACR. Now, we've seen how they approach and handle these type of security issues.

If you continue to play on ACR/WPN, you're saying "I AM A ****IN DEGEN, TAKE MY MONEY AWAY FROM ME!"

would just like to chime in for support here. between Black Friday and two or so years ago I was one of the highest raking micro/small stakes grinders on the site, continually placing in the Beast. started a few threads and posted numerous comments in the sub-forum about these very issues for some time. nothing was ever addressed properly and it has just continued to deteriorate till now.

after getting fed up about nothing being done I pretty much quit the site entirely out of principle, focused on game selection and "alternative" options. best decision I've made poker wise in some time. while things are far from ideal pretty much everywhere, WPN is a cesspool for all that is bad about the industry currently!

Joey is it too hard for me to find a good clean game for me to degen it up in?

Poker is hard enough in a legit game

We used to battle on ACR playing 2-4 and 3-6plo

Pm me if you wanna battle some pppoker app

I’ve been opening my own groups and playing w my friends for small buy ins...
Just to scratch my itch on days I can’t get to casino and to ensure theirs no unfair play.

What has the world come to now you need to start your own game if you want to make sure it’s legit?

Of course it turned into my buddy dumping 24k and 8k to me ... I’m too nice though and let him buy out both times for way less

It was from the PLO bots thread in the WPN subforum. Maybe first page or so that another member posted. It might have been posted 4 months ago but not sure.

edit: I looked at that thread but couldn't find where I first found that pic. I did find this in the NL cash bots thread tho at post 11. There's other people posting stats and such in that thread too.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...-bots-1696587/

Would this be the same if only playing heads up? if you don't mind playing the bots, no collusion etc.

Scotty Nguyen wasn't a favorite to be mentioned as the go-to ethical advisor on live poker - in a thread about botting and colluding on WPN. But then you posted.

So the important question remains, when deciding whether or not WPN is a safe place to play: WWSD baby?

You mean the colluders and MAers aren't scared of this guy?

To be fair, I have seen some reported MAers get banned in the last week. Sunday there was multiple who were banned during prime time MTT grind after already buying into everything (gotta get that rake 1 last time) and the late reg issue is fixed, so I wouldn't say nothing has been done, but it is a bit hilarious they have yet to come out and publicly address this in any sort of meaningful way.

With that said, CreateMyOwnEnergy and 44Bars were still grinding, so who knows.... Gonna guess they are catching the low hanging fruit, as any smart MAer isn't going to be dumb enough to do things the others are.

As of March 1st, the WPN forum has been closed, and their advertising is not continuing at the present time. There will be further information from Mason Malmuth coming in a Publisher's Note in the March issue of the 2+2 Magazine shortly.

Subsequent discussion of this decision is best posted here:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/5...ising-1703886/

Thanks heaps Papi! And everybody else!

ChicagoJoey and ChaseThunder 2020! The peoples champions! Im not discussing just giving thanks!

Good job Joey, Bobo and Mason!

I have been following the story from the begining.Personally,I would like to see a poarizing approach from you papi-either dont give a **** anymore or do everything you can-expose names,invite people who use/make bots to your podcast so that everyone knows how bots are able to play and are not detected.
One more thing-I really cant understand why are many people startled or suprised-it is clear-poker s popularity is decreasing eveyr single year and that is one of the reasons online poker rooms ar offering worse and worse options and promotions to players-look at stars for example-they cut the rake to 3-5%,cut many promotions,pros etc. just because they want a short term results instead of long run-they want to made as much as they can in the next few years instead of making much is 10-15 year period.The situation with acr is the same-the managers or owners know very well whats the situation with the ecosistem now and they care like 80% about fast cash by letting bots play on their site.Its easy to understand although I just think most people dont want to embrace the truth.
Good luck PAPI!

Where will Thrash370 mod now?

Although I have never played on WPN ( ACR ) and would never think about doing so, I am happy to see 2p2 do the right thing here.

What I have been reading about for the last 3 weeks is disgusting and I hope that anyone in this thread, who has an account is getting out and making that withdrawal.

Props again to Joey and everyone else who started this investigation.

I'm not surprised this happened, but I'm very disappointed it did.

I think that 2+2 was more than charitable giving WPN weeks to address allegations that have been going on for years.

For all Joey did, he wasn't the first person to raise issues about cheating by a long shot. But he did something good for poker by raising awareness about this issue.


I find it amazing that Phil Nagy couldn't be bothered to do something about this this when he had the opportunity to at least appear to be proactive.


Turns out having some nameless accounts give canned responses and having Thrash pretending to be an advocate for the players after he'd personally deleted threads about botting isn't really satisfactorily addressing the issue.


This is the problem to the US's approach to online poker. By shutting out the more reputable sites, you create a market sites like WPN, who don't have to really do much for the players since the players have no other options.


Still, it's amazing to me that WPN couldn't be bothered to act in their own financial interest on this one.


Thanks again Joey.

This is great news everyone. Thanks to Joey and Chase Thunder for chasing out that vermin Phil Nagy. But the job isn't done... remember everyone, July 2018 live from San Jose, Costa Rica... CHASE THUNDER V PHIL NAGY IN AN EPIC STEEL CAGE NO HOLD BARRED MATCHUP! Stay tuned... July 2018 can't come soon enough!

***Disclosure #1 - These are suspected bots by the other reg I was talking to and myself. If your name is on here, congrats on playing a bot style and being a real person***

***Disclosure #2 - My sample size is very low or lol (6k) hands, however the reg I have been talking to cranks out thousands of hh per day and came up with most of the ones on the list with me adding a few suspected***

I am sure there are a few TAG regs on this list, but a lot is going on similar to the hand below just as one example from a couple of weeks ago I played in. These 2 were sitting by each other on 5+ tables and it looks like they were not playing back at each other.

Game started at: 2018/2/13 20:19:56
Game ID: 1123707545 0.25/0.50 (PRR) Gorgons ‐ 8 (Hold'em)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: stealwave (71.37).
Seat 2: ColonelCall (50).
Seat 3: ralerjak2 (57.54).
Seat 4: EgorLetov (143.14).
Seat 5: Hero (50.88).
Seat 6: Bladesmtg (82.25).
Player stealwave has small blind (0.25)
Player ColonelCall has big blind (0.50)
Player stealwave received a card.
Player stealwave received a card.
Player ColonelCall received a card.
Player ColonelCall received a card.
Player ralerjak2 received a card.
Player ralerjak2 received a card.
Player EgorLetov received a card.
Player EgorLetov received a card.
Player Hero received card: [2d]
Player Hero received card: [Ks]
Player Bladesmtg received a card.
Player Bladesmtg received a card.
Player ralerjak2 folds
Player EgorLetov folds
Player Hero folds
Player Bladesmtg folds
Player stealwave raises (1.25)
Player ColonelCall calls (1)
*** FLOP ***: [9c 5c Jd]
Player stealwave checks
Player ColonelCall checks
*** TURN ***: [9c 5c Jd] [6h]
Player stealwave checks
Player ColonelCall checks
*** RIVER ***: [9c 5c Jd 6h] [Qh]
Player stealwave checks
Player ColonelCall checks
Player ColonelCall mucks cards
‐‐‐‐‐‐ Summary ‐‐‐‐‐‐
Pot: 2.85. Rake 0.11. JP fee 0.04
Board: [9c 5c Jd 6h Qh]
*Player stealwave shows: Three Of Kind of 5s [5h 5d]. Bets: 1.50. Collects: 2.85. Wins: 1.35.
Player ColonelCall mucks (does not show cards). Bets: 1.50. Collects: 0. Loses: 1.50.
Player ralerjak2 does not show cards.Bets: 0. Collects: 0. Wins: 0.
Player EgorLetov does not show cards.Bets: 0. Collects: 0. Wins: 0.
Player Hero does not show cards.Bets: 0. Collects: 0. Wins: 0.
Player Bladesmtg does not show cards.Bets: 0. Collects: 0. Wins: 0.
Game ended at: 2018/2/13 20:21:5

+1!

This is a defining moment for WPN. Overlays are going to be huge in the upcoming series & it looks like they stand to lose a lot of $ unless they are recouping in nefarious ways. With 2+2 pulling the plug the concentration of legit players, especially recs will decrease substantially. If they want the site to survive long term better invest in doing things the right way pronto.

Joey, seems like a good plan. I would also like to see if you can get more of an inside look at botters & programmers on the podcast. Great work so far.

Can’t wait to hear more from Chase Thunder

This is solid proof.
Everybody with just a basic knowledge and understanding about stats and statistics would be able to see that. 6-8 of the extremely player dependent stats are so aligned and with the same intervals as the already known bots. If we compare and group the stats vs good regs at the same level, it is so obvious. I won't go into details, as they might read this, but I think
it is safe to conclude that the accounts are both bots and sharing holecards.

Also, they seem to be running on the same engine as the 2-3.generation bots from Pokerstars.

It makes me so sad (and pissed) that **** like this is still taking place.

They couldn't even be bothered to respond to the 2+2 brass? Yeah, I'd say the right decision was made!

Someone should build a program where we load hand histories and it could determine a % possibility of them being a bot or using assistant software like holdem indicator. Would be very helpful for the sites to use software like this.