That video was so great, please make more. "It doesnt matter if youre from Mars.... 44Bars....."

- Is there mtts where they could register close to itm, but don't do it cause if they do it they won't be at the same table?( don't know if it's clear)
If yes they probably collude

- People stall on stars too with shortstack close to itm, if you put them all at 1 table of course it will look like collusion.


- Anyway the site should change their structure since it's clearly bad (and maybe ban these accounts if they collude)

yeah they dont register unless theyre starting up a new table then they all quickly register and fill up the table sitting next to each other and stalling. It doesnt seem to happen much in big field mtts as it takes longer to hit the money when registration ends and theres more open spots at tables that its harder to get a new table. Stalling near the money is ****ty but inevitable in both live and online mtts which is why they go down to hand-hand play close to bubble but what these players are doing goes far beyond simply stalling

Yo WPN. Throw us a bone. Just remove like 4 levels (1 hour) of ridiculously late registration. Lower the guarantee accordingly.

Just sayin....

I was coaching/staking this player, as others have said he's not a bot. I'm all for trying to make things better for players at WPN, but would be better if you could reach out to some of the plo/o8 mtt/sng regulars and verify first.

We can't have regulars busy taking shots at each other while the real botters and cheaters duck away and hide their tracks. I'd be more than happy to assist you in providing info that clears some of the potential false-positives and allows you to focus more on the bad actors.

Much of these issues have already been brought to the attention of WPN in the past, sadly things haven't seemed to change much(yet anyway). Their policy is and has been that they don't comment on security issues, at least not in a very detailed manner.

To be fair, they're stuck with an aging platform which is poorly equipped from the start to handle these kinds of challenges. They have said for the past year or two (at least) that they have new software in development, but for now it's only been a limited release with only a few games/formats.

Edit - As far as activity stopping/slowing on that particular account, I will say that it is possible to play on other WPN skins the legit way(only 1 at a time).

Yup. Most MTTs are somewhat close to the bubble, 15% climb, at close of registration. They don't enter any if the huge entries or ones with the likelihood of not having a new table. I'm out for the day but go look at the Early Special right now, good chance they are all right around the bubble/min cash.

Another thing that should be looked at, Poker King is the skin for most of these 'players'. You are not required to verify ID there, although they may ask for it. Btc in and btc out, it just aids and abets the scam.

I can't check myself, but Bovada doesn't have similar registration, correct?

bovada has to be worse, you can't track bots stats

I've played a lot on both networks. No, the late registration isn't nearly as long as on WPN and you aren't really close to being itm at the close of late reg in any of their tournaments that I've played. It's pretty rare to see stalling in those tourneys, and definitely not from entire tables of colluders like on wpn

well, here is a surprise, haha.....

https://gyazo.com/e9ec0143c1ea0d1639063f9cda2a9d36

Nope, no collusion, TWO tables full of them this time

Reseat at the end of late registration and end this charade. It will only get worse. What is the point of playing it out if you can just enter and dick around killing time and get free money?

Grunch. They are still doing it. They all just regged $55 12.5k GTD i asked support and they lol said they are looking into it. I am going to just not play there any more and i play quite a bit.

So ****ing absurd. CAnnot fathom the level of incompetence for them not to put a stop to it

The easiest one out of all this that has come out about WPN to stop too.

If you stall at the bubble of an mtt, account insta-frozen (if review shows it was a one time thing, then you get a warning... if you're habitual then you just lost your privilege to play and any money you had).

There, I just fixed this issue. I'll send an invoice to Phil for my security consultation.

Define "stall".

They are not stalling like everyone does it is more than that, they all late reg at the same time so they are on the same table its so much worse.

I agree that the collusiony type of stalling is a problem.

However, I remember some old MTTs where a couple of shorties at the same table played slow and used up time banks etc... near the bubble. Not Bots. Not colluding etc... Before late registration was even a thing etc... Just a couple of guys doing what they felt was optimal for their own game play/cash etc...

Easy fix is to shorten the late registration time, IMO. This trying to determine who is gaming the system by banning anyone who stalls is a bad solution to an easy problem.

They also will disconnect intentionally and that is a clear violation if the T & C

Players, even non colluding players, that do this habitually are awful for the game. They slow everything down and make bubbles last forever. Freeze their account per my suggestion above.

WSOP and Aria high rollers are taking steps toward stopping this in live mtt play, too.

Just give everyone who late reg's diminishing time banks the later they reg and have regenerating time banks the longer you play. Both for dc timebank and actual time bank. I kind of wish the colluding stalling thing was a separate thread it sort of dilutes the discussion on the more malicious cheating thats likely happening.

Are any of these suspiciously acting accounts from Georgia?

If so, we could say that they are Stalin near the bubble.

Good point.

Zero percent chance these stables of horses are not feeding hole cards to the leader of the group. That is, if it is separate humans and not one dude and multiple VPN.

Why did I even think that sites had ways of tracking/preventing VPN players? Oh yeah, it was because you used to have a bank account and verifiable ID to get paid. Now its just Crypto money.

Joey you look like how I did when I finally threw in the towel on bcp/acr ....Didn't really read the thread. I stopped playing on ACR/BCP PLO years ago... I knew about the colluders/bots . Always felt like something wasn't right on this site. Also support doesn't care about anything.. its all about rake monies not security .

Chase ****ing Thundaaa

Pretty funny how WPN rep shows up says LOL copy and pastes some bs statement then disappears