Has the showdown board rearrangement & highlighting ever been reflective of cards used to make the winning 5 card hand instead of how the board ran out?

Joey, can you go back to the source & find out more?

This is a tremendous idea

MTT Glitch- Good Stuff and they should take action if they have not

5c 10c bots - Good Stuff and they should investigate


But the reason you were led down this rabbit hole was because you were losing to perceived bots or superusers at higher stakes.

Do you have any stats for these accounts you were losing to and suspected to be bots/ superusers?

Because the one thing I keep coming back to is on the first podcast about this, and the one you did with Doug the thing you said both times is you lost an all in to some guy you suspected to be aa superuser when he joined you HU.

Did you have more history and stats vs this player where he repeatedly crushed you or did you just lose an all in to him once heads up and were frustrated because he was a perceived bot ?

Just asking because superusing and botting while they are both bad are wildly different.

He didn't crush me repeatedly, I was on extra high alert for accounts showing up with similar tendencies and I stop playing pots or with them right away. The pattern that these accounts use is nothing like similar fun players at all, it's really one of the strangest things I've ever experienced in online poker and something I've never felt was going on before. I watched one account play for about 10 hours when I wasn't in the game and recorded one long session of his. I didn't play with him again after the first initial wave. I don't want to put any of this out yet for a couple of reasons and I want to give ACR a chance to communicate with me directly on this.

I think it's good for people out there to be skeptical but after finding out everything else, if people don't believe it because of the lack of evidence, that's okay with me. I think it would be crazy to assume something like this isn't capable of happening on the software.

So 44bars multi acct colludes and plays on a Mac?

Basically, all we need at this point is for Justin Timberlake to stay with Nagy for a few days and we have Runner Runner.

That's a strategy I've used, not in collusion with others but on my own. It's not a problem with cheating necesssarily, it's a group of players with a similar play style of late regging near the registration cut off, in an effort to get into a tournament where they can almost guarantee cashing, and possibly running up a big win (didn't work for me as I'm too impatient, but it could work for good players).

This is not against the rules in anyway, if you allow late registration you are effectively people can register whenever they choose. The problem is if the players are attempting to work together. I was not. But if you seat all the new players at a new table, then the players will APPEAR to be colluding.

No, you need to review the evidence that Joey revealed in his vid. The sharkscope data on these accounts is damning. There is little denying that they are bots working together in collusion (my guess would be that they are operated by one or a few players who are multi-accounting with their bots).

ACR is serving US clients and some customers are petitioning a fair game? JFC, they are illegally skirting the system and have blatant disregard for rules, yet you expect them to run a poker room ethically?

not exactly the same ,but does this situation kind of have a Ultimate Bet/Full tilt feel to it?

Operating a poker site to U.S. players is illegal but not unethical. So why does the site need to be unethical to its player base? Illegal /=/ unethical.

The only way that operating a U.S. poker site is unethical would be if poker/gambling as a whole is unethical, in which case every legal casino in the U.S. and the NJ/NV/DE regulated poker sites are unethical too. Not to mention Stars/888/Party etc. That's fine if that's your view, but it wouldn't differentiate WPN from any regulated site.

Where in my post did I say it is unethical to run a poker site serving US clients?
I implied that a company who would blatently not play by the rules would likey not be too ethical in their business practice. How is this hard to understand?
If you gonna use big words, read the post.

Did you just come down in the last shower?

Because they can, what recourse do their customers have?

This has been posted a couple times throughout the thread. Pretty sure everyone here is smart enough to see the obvious conundrum.

No, I get what you are saying, but that is not what is happening here. They all enter at the exact same time under the same conditions. Then they time down and/or disconnect to stall into the money. I have crashed hundreds of games at the last minute that were close to and even in the money. I don't time out, just hope for a multi-way pot or sit with min cash maniacs that I can shove my way to some chips. Last minute entry with the hopes of min cashing via stalling is really not as much a strategy as it is a declaration of bankroll. The players I circled are always doing the same thing. At the very least, it is a group of people working together to exploit the clock, aka collusion.

As far as the Mac client glitch goes, one of my guys plays on a Mac and is pretty cognizant of oddities. He has never noticed that and plays a ton of games. We will watch some tables together to see if he sees any cards prior to me. Often, we'll rail each other's games and it has never be noticed either, next card shown in advance. If we see it happen, then we will record some tables together to show it.

I'm no riggie by any stretch. I will probably get killed for this, but I am pro-WPN. I like playing there, I'm very comfortable in the games, and very aware of the style of play of the regs. When I have had issues in the past, both of their site reps have fixed them for me with little hesitation. I hope they get all this crap fixed. With that said, it is something extremely blatant if someone that is pro WPN is bitching about it.

An individual that is going to crash a game at the last minute will do it. The players I circled only do it when they are going to open a new table. Re-seat the tables when late reg is closed and this is solved forever. They literally take more than a full blind level for one orbit. Oh, and shut those accounts down until it can be proven it is one big massive coincidence that they all think 100% alike and just so happen to click the enter button at the same time. Malynaschuk, whatever the spelling is, is usually the first name to enter. I'd start with that one.

For the record, winning_td posted a thread about 6 months ago soliciting people to PM him screen shots of people late regging and then disconnecting for the extra time.

Joey,

I have some very interesting hand histories to send you. Please PM me on where I can send them.

Maintenence is going on now.

Hopefully its not just a normal one i hope... but don´t believe!

Highly suspect superuser now.. For that turn card to be accessible during the flop makes it possible that the board cards could be stored on our computers pre-flop and could easily be hacked... I always thought those cards were generated and stored server-side.. It's obviously legit since it confirmed the winner.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...-10am-1703767/

they're just fixing the real important stuff

most of these players were emails warnnings and had to send emails back in saying them wouldnt so it anymore

they still chillin

so when one can get away with being unethical, they should be unethical by default?

there is always potential recourse. Carl Tropper already challenged Nagy to a cage match

the show high hand text that was glitchy was an addition on one of the updates if I remember correctly. I believe it was right around the time profits plummeted for me

I always wondered if there was some back door into that text to be exploited

any data archive on what features were added and when?
would love to find when that option was added


edit.

also some great points were made.
a poster said do we really wanna ban people without proof and have what is going on at pstars.

joey says where is the thread of wpn players complaining they were banned from wrongly being accused of a bot.

if phil banned any bots why no refunds.

LET me says this WPN rep again since you wanna troll people again where are the refunds for being cheated by unfair game play? As he always wants to troll people on refunds when they cancel events

sorry but that person is a cocky condescending jerk

grrrr this urks me...you think I could just move on from this but the feeling of being wronged for so long and nothing was done just stirs up this inner hatred.

Could WPN have a worse response to all this? One post here from a non-modded account and a claim that they're "looking into it" when asked about security issues.