I have been following the thread and like the fact that there is strong support to ensure integrity of the site.

Just now I had a long session against a new player I had never seen before. Name "Entelodont" from Helsinki, Finland with join date Feb 8, 2018. He was sitting in for $1k at the 50-100 7-day no rathole NL game (which has $1k initial buyin). He wasn't on any other tables and had no history of play, so I decided to sit him. He proceeded to destroy me and seemed to play extremely well, though it took me some time to realize. Very strange for a new solid player to suddenly appear and sit the highest stakes. Of course this in itself isn't very conclusive. The things that stood out as being especially weird were that he didn't chat at all, and also that he instantly sat out when a 3rd player joined, even one time when a fish joined, and then quickly left the table. I see he's now sitting in all the high-stakes HUNL lobbies now (and not in the 50-100 9m game running now w/a fish in it).

I'm not sure what to think. I lost a lot to him, and probably should have quit sooner. I suspect it is a HU bot, which is consistent w/the fact that it immediately sat out when 3rd player sat in.

I sent a report to ACR, but not sure how else I can proceed, as there is no proof of anything really. I have all the hands from the session.

Maybe post some of the "weird" hands? Problem with hu is, that there is obviously no collusion possible (except someone hacked your pc or superuser..). And suspected hu bots have been on stars aswell (oborra, 40and7...). Cant blame only ACR for that, although the probability to play a hu bot is for sure higher on acr then on stars...

He is now sitting literally all possible hu lobbies^^

Sam does have a pretty high level of understanding when it comes to bots.

I'm going to be putting out a video with more information on the SNG buts that are currently the biggest winners, in addition to updating on more information about the collusion I talked about, bots, what we can do as players, ideas for ACR security to help them, combating/detecting superusers & more.

I've been going over & collecting more information about the PLO bots. In addition to the identical stats for the 3 main accounts at the PLO10 games posted in the WPN sub-forum, I do believe that the accounts playing there 24 hours are almost certainly bots. Sadly, they are the easiest detectable bots so far but they are the first ones I've put an extra emphasis on. The fact that ACR hasn't figured this out is ****ing insane. I'm not even sure what their security team does all day. I've been able to come up with 30+ different data points that any poker site could look for to detect pattern anomalies in player accounts in order to become aware that certain accounts require more investigation. I honestly think their process is, open lobby, sit there, do nothing. How the hell can you have access to behind the scenes, see the biggest winners in a game type BY FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR over the next people, play exactly the same, play all day long, and do nothing. One account of the 3 literally plays all day long and if you really dive deep into what they do, you have to be blind to not realize something is going on. Whoever is in charge of this is either complicit in it or needs to be fired.

Seriously, get in touch with Billy the Bot, have him set up a webcam or webcams to confirm he is the one playing, have that person play their normal session and explain what they are thinking, go over hands they recently played, ask questions about tendencies/strategy, ask about relationships, ask something/anything. If these players are legit players who grind all the time and are winners in the game, they will completely support this. If they don't, gg.

Once again, this is the most obvious case of this happening in PLO. Similar to an incredibly obvious case in the tournaments. How are they ever going to stop anything that isn't obvious? They aren't even stopping the ****ing obvious things taking place.

I found some amazing clips of WPN CEO Phil last night while putting this video together that has taken priority over that video because it really is amazing. I think that he needs to be held accountable on things he has said publicly on video through twitch/youtube.




I think this was a year ago?? I'm not sure on the date but lmao. He is laughing about bots, yes, they are ****ing hilarious. Players in every game type are getting ****ed hard, catch 22. The full clip on this particular topic is a few minutes. If someone has been banned for seemingly like a bot, can you please point me to the thread by that person.

AMEN PHIL, I COULD NOT AGREE WITH YOU MORE.

I mean, this ****ing guy has 2 accounts left in the top 11






This guy has 2 accounts lined up next to each other




What the hell is security doing all day? I've gotten over 100 messages from people in every game type, with information on all sorts of different things. I've had 30-minute calls with randoms, text message exchanges with random live players, engaging in back & forth with people demanding an apology from me for saying their name and then seeing the photo above of the same person. It takes me a small amount of time to look into it and find more evidence to warrant a closer look. I have no access to anything and am able to do this.

Someone sent me this with permission I could use it anywhere. He sent it to ACR and sent it to me. How the **** am I the one trying to do anything about it?? WTF is going on. How could ACR receieve this, see them playing HSPLO randomly in recent time & playing together, then say, "meh, **** it!" I also have a similar message from someone unrelated to this person about the same people.



I met Shawn (CMOE) thru Twitch in Feb. 2016 & was friendly with him thru there. In mid July I was ending my lease where I was in Cali & a couple weeks before it ended I mentioned to CMOE I couldn't find any open monthly spots I hoped to, likely having to pay so much anyways that I was thinking about monthly spots in Vegas instead. (I was looking for a monthly studio to get lost in the grind w/o distractions while I waited for poker dealing class to start).


CMOE unexpectedly tells me that if I'm gonna be leaving the state & my gf behind anways that I should move into an open room where he lives in Colorado Springs for a fraction of the cost I was looking at. Later that day he claimed to have squared it all away with the landlord with no lease/deposit needed for a few months & that he would coach me in tournaments. It seemed like an amazing opportunity I couldn't pass up especially given my situation & years of lone wolfing it in poker to a big fault.
(Side note - I later learned he's a great bull****ter in various ways & after a week in the house the landlord busts into my room threatening to call the cops asking who I am & why I'm living there. Landlord told me he was under the impression Shawn was renting the room for himself at a discount for less roomates, & that he thought the money I sent him was from "one of Shawn's aliases")

I moved in with Shawn on Thursday July 13th, & the day before moving there while discussing it on the phone he suggested to me we should collude at cash games. I ignored his request & kept discussing other things, this is when things started getting weird but I was already stuck moving there the next day & knew I wasn't going to collude. My early days there the grinding was normal with him on one account & he didn't mention colluding. He did suggest we split buyins & have me play tournaments while he coached me up since I was a cash grinder with very little MTT knowledge. On my first Sunday there we split the buyin on my Ignition 55bi $40k, where we luckboxed a final table score & he ghosted/coached me. I didn't want any part of colluding & should have expected this eventually, but thru splitting buyins sitting right next to eachother we briefly ended up on the same table within a few days of scoring & hand sharing was inadvertantly forced upon me. I can specifically remember hating it & being genuinely relieved when we were moved pretty shortly after, possibly because we were on the same IP. I also wasn't a fan of the ghosting as it was completely boring & unsatisfying plus sketchy, as well as what was supposed to be coaching turned into waiting for him to act on 3 accounts to either confirm moves I was doing or suggest otherwise.


During my first 10 days there days in his room before getting my desk for my own room, I met the kid who I assume Greenspirit is registered to, as he played on that account when going there to play & he had practically zero poker knowledge. A good portion of Shawns winnings from our score were left on my account & he wanted to reinvest it into more tournaments, which was the only thing that kept me going into his grind room a few times as things kept getting weirder on both personal & poker levels. After a few more grinds down there & giving him money for food/etc., I eventually paid him out the remainder in cash just to have no connection to him or his collusion. I was never told about the multi-accounting until one day I went down there & he was suddenly playing both the CMOE & Greenspirit acct's on ACR. I remembered thru writing this that after meeting GS the multiaccounting started as just those 2.

Shortly after moving there a tournament series started on ACR & one day I went down there he was now playing 3 accounts at once on both ACR & Ignition, using a VPN to a Portugese account for one of them. He seemed pretty open on showing & telling me a little about it likely because I kept silent about my issues with him/it & because I think he sees literally no issue about doing this at all in his mind. This is how I learned the VPN account was Portugese (99% sure he said that location) & also how I saw first hand he was playing on 3 acct's at once across 4 monitors. Over my 10 week stay there I spent a max of around 14 days in his room, most of it being my first 10 days.


I remained silent about my issue with this & the weird/shady personal interactions while living with him. This was all new to me, I just wanted to get out of the house & move on so I worked towards that isolated in my room until leaving on Sept. 20th. Judging from a couple scorned girlfriend like squabbles from him both when I first moved upstairs & then stopped splitting buy-ins, he thought I was just disrespecting his game & got over confident in my own. He had a basement apartment so that made it easier to avoid him completely after this, & even that is an understatement. Things remained civil but I became a ghost to him, turning down all offers to smoke (told him I quit but had my friend mail cartridges lol) & after declining a couple invitations to grind down there he stopped asking. I didn't report or expose him after moving out because at the time he was playing small buyin large field tournaments & I never saw him do it at cash games, while also doubting ACR would do anything about my report especially with his stakes/measures. I know he changed his IP daily from having to re-verify my IP everyday when checking Alts on Bittrex (had to sell them all late Nov. & got rekt from Dec. bumps lol, not a huge loss though overall).


Anyways after putting this behind me, on January 9th by complete chance I happened to skim thru a twitch vod of a streamer who it turned out was sweating CMOE suddenly playing high stakes PLO/NL cash on ACR. This was the first I saw of him playing cash games outside of maybe 50 hands punting at PLO on one acct while living there early on. This streamer also met Shawn thru the US Poker Stream community that I shouldn't have wasted so much time with & have absolutely no interest in continuing, just so you know I'm not trying to further myself with this. I purely felt a poker & moral obligation to do so with the knowledge I had, especially with how much bigger this issue became now at cash games over just smaller unlimited rentry mtt's. This streamer was never involved, almost only plays Zone, & I'm even very suspicious of Shawn sniping him during his many foolish no delay streams that CMOE would randomly show up for but very rarely otherwise.


I spent that whole night first watching the stream vod for any info I could gather, then writing up a report for ACR hoping they would be able to catch him. I started watching for him at cash games inbetween grinding & saw how Greenspirit was playing the same highest stake tournaments with CMOE, & only those ones with him afaik. I already knew what was going on at mtt's for sure, whether the kid behind GS was in the room or it was CMOE multiaccounting himself, but I looked for info there too like I mentioned about the timing down a bit at same time then immediately acting after eachother. I only ever saw them on different cash tables at the same time & looked for who might be the new alias CMOE would be using to collude at cash. I only saw him on cash again once or twice, but it was very interesting to hear you mention 44bars because this was the most likely suspect imo that I saw at HS games.


I wrote up a report to ACR that night hoping they would do something about it now that it could be proven easier & at cash games. After a few days I sent you the warning & also attempted to send warnings to some people including the Stormer crew who some were playing the same HS small field tournaments. The only person I told about the collusion before ever seeing CMOE play cash that night on the VOD was a community streamer I saw playing at the same mtt table. I feel wrong about keeping quiet initially when it was less severe at smaller mtt's, but I didn't know what to do & didn't want to get into a he said she said deal while feeling ACR either couldn't or wouldn't do anything as well. Shawn is very good with his words/bull****ting while I'm the opposite & typically very unconfrontational. Sending the warnings & reporting was a huge relief for me that will be even greater knowing he's not scamming people at HS cash (hopefully, idk if he was banned).

It's crazy that this started with me worrying about bots, possible super using and wanting to draw awareness to it, then made a hard left into PLO collusion and then went off the rails into every single format.

From HUSNG

This account put in a year run and then what?? Banned??

Biggest winning streak 92 and losing 70s lol





One of the weirdest account tendencies HUsng player around and they get to play 14k games for a year while they go straight up without anyone becoming suspicious?? Are security actually real people??

Extrapolate it out.... Say a botter binks an $800 1st place on a $10 buyin. They could easily afford to play the next ten as a complete tool and still be way up. How would they get caught and how could it be policed?

The only way to dramatically cut down on it may be to alter the cards/fonts/etc so the screen is not recognized. That would likely be a big cause of confusion/angst for the legit mass tablers.

Whether it is WPN or another network, how do they fight off very skilled programmers?

I spent 7 days on this and have all kind of ideas. I'm not sure if people ever do anything that is difficult. You don't just give up and say **** it, you keep at it and keep trying.

These guys have spent 10 years at this!!!

I need to go try to find the cure for cancer or something.

Chai is definitely a real person, 100%. I believe there were personal issues in his life that came up.

Hope it gets fixed, you've certainly thrown it out in the open.

ACR has the weirdest ****ing players on the internet. I'm not sure I want to even start looking into HUSNGs, this was one of the first things I came across. If 90 game win streaks and 70 game losing streaks are standard practice then what a weird game.

joey

please do, we will erect a shrine in your honor around my parts!

if you only knew what acr has put us through

Tell me more

From what I've heard so far, HU SNG PS bots are running the ACR streets.

fwiw sharkscope has tracked my husngs on wpn in a weird way
for example i played like 40 plo hypers vs one guy and broke even pre rake, on sharkscope it showed up as ~20 wins in a row followed by 20 losses
this only happens when you rematch someone continously

all from russia never sat each other except 1 time i did see oppy and monty(yes we have nicknames for them)

I have studied there play more then anyone on this network. serious I hate to admit how much time I spent

Then poof phil nagy said no more bots and they all vanished
I contacted via every method and finally got to John after Dave miller left and then security manager and then that girl supervisor all very rude and would never give the truth

oppagangnam
montsis
bunsunhrst
mfg123
sakkapeetanen
stormypetrel17 (this bro was crazy 16.5% roi over this huge sample now of course ss locked)
obaminator
bucyrus

and not sure about this one but man he is a god
fadethepubl1c

I was crushing the game until that group showed up if you saw my graph now you would know why I wanna puke now.

I didnt always complain heck for a long time I didn't I just studied and studied and spent all my time trying to get better.

yet wpn won't admit and at least refund rake

just wanted to share those names gotta go

also for peeps who are like yeah ok, this isn't no boogey man hunt
you had many real live top volume people saying same thing over and over

heck i came at them with just add a decline button..nope
then I came at them with guess they best in world
then I just quit that game type

at times cuz we are gluttons get a good laugh at this new crop of bots that came a week after phils bot wars


ok my girl gonna killme I don't go to grocery store

again thanks!

Okay, good to know. Glad something that seems strange might not actually be strange.

Thanks for the information on the HU bots. I'll take a deeper look at it.

If WPN is looking to hit the lab, here is something you can study.

crazy! I can only assume this **** is rampant in the industry

I also know chai, have spoken to him, and can confirm he's a real person (with a PG&C thread on 2+2, fwiw). He's a good to very good O8 reg.

Joey is the hero we need but not the one we deserve.

I'd love to know more about the superuser allegations, because evidence would be quite frightening to see.

Is it possible that someone has hax0red WPN's software (and other lower-tier networks as well)? WPN has nowhere near as much money as Amaya, so their infrastructure may be not be as secure as we all blindly assume. Who knows?

Only 6 of them today, not bad ACR




And 4 more on another table in this one


Separate tournament with same guys + other accounts from the other day luckily only 5 of them here

Joey can u give clifnotes to that very long post. I read through all of it, but I think a lot of people won't, cause it's so long, but the information in it, assuming your source is reliable, is very important.

Also I don't really get what he is implying when he is talking about the 44bars acc. I don't understand how this acc fits into this whole story. And what does cmoe stand for. Is it an acc name on acr?