**** you

I will create my own bots to crush the donk bot creators like you.

Man you sound like a douche lmao. It's been explained many times how this is plus EV and is evident in the results. Also, it doesn't even matter if it's +EV or not, it's still colluding and if you "did the calculations" and found its -EV, show some ****ing receipts lmaaoooooooo.

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Welcome mongolov to 2+2 and to NVG. We look forward to your contributions.

However, I fear your stay here may be short if you continue to rail against 2+2 and its mods. So I hope you can dial that back a bit.

Thanks much.

80% itm is -ev by the math wiz

this has a strong vibe of "These are not ze exploidz you are looking for"

kindof a ******ed story anyway, mongoloid and boris the bulgarian botter came here to tell all and help the poor players still clicking buttons but somehow Boris wandered into Politics and started talking **** abt Obama.. and got banned. now they wont tell us ****. #freeBoris

he didnt get banned for talking **** about obama bro

and the less that bot creators get a platform to advertise and explain the mechanics here on 2+2 is probably a good thing

lol @ Mongoloid making it about Nationalism. Go f*ck yourself. And this clown said *we* were using "tribal logic". Logic, period, isn't your strongsuit, buddy, as made evident by your posts above and also needing bots to succeed in poker.

sumthing sumthin abt Obama..skimmed over it. I don't care that he got banned or what for... 2 plus 2 did good. They should ban the other guy too. hes talking ****, talking about bots to take peoples money. and pleads the 5th for whateva he wanted to divulge. which was probably a diversion anyway.

You're right and wrong.

Randomly entering games at the last level is pretty stupid. That's not what they do. They enter games a the last minute where they are close to the bubble and take an entire table up. Half of them are ITM and a couple times a week one or two makes a couple of pay bumps.

The games to crash are targeted and are very +EV.

Here is a suggestion that usually gets ignored in other chaotic threads. Pick a single topic to start (this one seems like a very good one), pressure them to get this fixed, and then concentrate on another topic. This collusion/min cash thing should not be allowed to happen, and Winning should change something (reduce the late reg time, put people who register late on random tables etc) that removes this exploit. If and when they show they are capable of doing that then pick the next specific topic and concentrate on that. Try to get the help of some of the more significant players/affiliates as well as in theory this will be hurting their bottom line. Without some type of focus this thread will become the next Pokerstars sitout thread or a 99% rally, where every crazy with an agenda pops in and spews their mind.

This MTT issue is something that is a real problem and should be fixable and fixed. See if Winning has the competence to acknowledge and do that, for if they do not then one has to accept that no security or oversight exists on this network as part of the choice to play there.

Kudos to Joey for shining a light on all of this.


MTT exploit:

It seems that with the current system, because players who late-reg at around the same time during the bubble have a high chance of being seated together, they:
1) get to cooperate or explicitly collude by all max timing down or chip dumping
2) get to play under different bubble/ICM conditions than the rest of the field since they have a low chance of having any big (or even above average) stacks at their table who can enforce more ICM pressure on them. Ideally you would want all players to have an equal chance of being seated with a big stack etc during the bubble.

I think a good seating solution (during some window when late-reg is closing soon) is to ensure that players who all late-reg at around the same time account for <50% of seats on each table (ie during the bubble, no one table has a majority of recent late-reg players).




It'd be a lot easier for players to identify and report collusion/cheating or bot-play if WPN let players see mucked hands at showdown.

+1

Regarding bots from what i have seen so far it seems like 10nl is the max recommended stake in cash games which is obviously no good for the micros. Maybe there are other things out there, but is botting really as common past those stakes?

I think we should re-instate the iron curtain.

Help a region remove a wall and this is what we receive in return.

Very much so. You're thinking of the inexpensive entry level plug and play bots.

If you ban the Russians and East Europeans then they might just relocate to another country and play from there. Poker sites could just stop late registration, that would solve that problem. Unless they don't want to because it's an inside job?...

Yea seems legit to me. Stop late regging, so everyone has to play 200bb deep and sites would have to drop their guarantees significantly. Best idea i heard all day, how about just a redraw at the end of late reg?

Judging by the number of freeroll bots that suddenly start playing MTTs whenever the botter wants them to, I don't think banning any country is going to solve this. It looks like those botters have a pretty good supply of live accounts to get access to.

Agree with all of the folks who say that a seat shuffle during break would be the ideal and easy solution to the late reg issue.

Ideally, the seat shuffle happens just before the action resumes. Like in the last 5 seconds it does some slot spin effect or rapid shuffle thing and when it hits 0, you're seated.

Something like that.

And count me in as someone who wishes to keep late reg at 1 - 2 hours, 3 hours max for MTTs

So the late reg scheme, the way I see it..... Its not one guy taking 9 seats close to the money. Its one guy, or team, taking a large amount of seats, who knows how many? 27? 36? 90? close to the money, in tournament with a huge overlay. a large % min cash, some of the rest get a huge chip stack via chip dumping to have a legit shot. Plus reward points. Furthermore its has been confirmed and I can attest no validation required for BTC withdrawl. Easy Game

No, not accurate. They enter any game that last place is close to the bubble, overall or not. There is 6-10 of them, same names and same games. No not connected players do the same thing.

Only time i got banned on this forum (political section) was for some petty ridiculous reason similar to what you described.

Think this thread from awhile back is interesting as well. https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/5...ow-ev-1432941/
Taken out of context seems like tin foil hat talk. Playing PLO on this site even though I mostly play HU have seen the weirdest style of play from many of the Ukraine Belarus Russia countries. These are not some fish who played a weird hand or 2 and get lucky. They are consistently crushing. And doing things that make no logical sense had 1 guy 4 betting k78j single suited then flatting ds aces. These are not some random fish playing a hand weird these are people who win lots of money off this site. I can see how the 55 quad hand he posted be taken out of context.

Finding an exploit and bugging the server isn't out of the question since the software is really old and probably hasn't been updated to any new patches.

or if you prefer: