Could also re-seat everyone when the break resumes as well.

I don't see how they can ensure #1 happening, few games that go off in during the US day time are ever that deep. Seeing their hands at showdown would have no bearing on whether or not they really timed out, that is an answer to another issue. Either open the tables up for 2 empty seats on every table the last cpl minutes or re-seating would definitely end it. That would create another dilemma for some players. I don't want to move if I have an ideal table for me, but cannot stand the timing down jerkoffs.

reseat at end of late reg and at evry break. i think that would make collusion much much harder

Is not the proof evident when groups of 5+ players with an above 65% ITM rate (after apparently sucking over a large sample) constantly late reg all together and whose primary opponents are each other in MTTS's?
And whose rates then seemingly jump 30-40% overnight and maintain that level?
Still not worth bringing to light?
Keep up the speculation Joey......most of these people came out and said the same **** when the UB/AB speculation broke out. Likely many of the same exact people.....oh there is no cheating, where's the proof......well it eventually came out, thanks to players on 2+2. IF people waited to have 100% proof (something only the sites can provide to begin with should they care) before any accusation is made they would both still be in operation. IF someone was named incorrectly big deal.....come forward and clear it up. Anyone with a win rate that high sure as hell is aware of 2+2 right?

Hands at showdown is for overall protection not this one issue of late regging.

How can WPN not ensure that late registration closes at a point that there is still X% of field usually still in. Their late reg period is long as **** now, snipping it by 5 levels should close this expoit..

The 7K only beat the GTD by $120 today. If they change the late reg to 4 hours even; it would probably have an overlay and they are bleeding out overlays right now.

Some of those stallers are in the little $3 2K GTD game and it has been dragging like mad the last 30 minutes. The game now had to KO almost 40 seats to be ITM, so it isn't just a structure thing. Re-seating solves it without question, but it might create new problems.

Not just snipping money but getting to sit at a whole table with all your friends.. just imagine if they collude vs a couple randoms every single time then end up stacking chips to one person for a FT push and split the money.

This should be easy to figure out if theyre dumping chips and splitting the money after.. it would be pretty rare for 3 players to get big cards at the same time to cover up chip dumping..


So.. Freeroll after ITM + Collude + Chip Dump + Stack Chips for a deep run = all profit and a chance at the FT! 100k+ chips is all you need for a good shot in most of the formats and structures

Just imagine 9 people $265 each stacking and colluding then dump to 3 people for a chance at $179K.. that would make it all worth it..

I am far from a pro but I have seen plenty of times late, usually with under 20 left, in 3 or 5K's players just seemingly at one point go unhinged and call off a hand with zero equity at all to a guy with a mortal lock. Literally handing their chips off or I guess giving up altogether....and always comment in chat like WTF was that nonsense? Every
time I wondered why.....why in the world would anyone play for 4+ hours and give up a 30 or 40 BB stack calling off with nothing. Ill have to go thru my HLDM MGR stats and see if I can find them

yeah their ITM was 3% in the freeroll sample. This is because the freerolls pay a smaller fraction of the field compared to regular tournaments. They didn't suck for a long time.

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Good point. Still, bots

you use freerolls to test run the bots

What if WPN tweaked the software so all tables were 8 handed during the last couple levels of late reg? That way there is an empty seat always available to drop a late reg into, and they won't all fall together?

The BIG10 2K GTD is about to end late reg. 63 paid and 80 left. If the stallers are around, it will happen in that game.

tbh its a bit of an anticlimax. so they reg late and min cash? everybody could do that right now without being a bot or flat out cheating.

I remember probably about a year ago i thought i hit the lottery. Im trying to go thru stats now and HH and if i can find it ill try to video it, its gonna take some time but i swear this happened:

I went to a 6max 25 50 cent table with 1 player there, I sat in and raised and the dude folded and then satout. So i left the table... i ended up coming back to the same table and he was sitting in again, i figured maybe he was in the bathroom or something, he timedout and i won his SB. I left the table, i reopened the table 5 seconds later and he was sitting in, i sat back in and won his blind and he satout. I left the table again and he insta sat in..... i took his blind over and over and won $29 without seeing a flop, won it all preflop. If i stayed at the table after winning the blind he remained sitting out. It was very weird.

The party for me eventually ended when i sat again and someone else sat too and that ruined everything. It was a disfunctioned bot or something and i was ready to take it for all it had lol

WPN is the only skin that I know of where you can late reg and be in the final 10-20% of entrants and almost in the money.

I get that they are trying to maximize entrants, but a three hour late reg period with their structures is just absurd. How this has gone on for so long already is beyond me!

In the original video Joey brought up bots because of the cash games he was playing in yet the second video he made was all about tournament bots, and since that video the thread is now 100% tournament bot talk wtf?

What happened to the superuser, cash game collusion/bot talk?

Relax man, Just imagine if your sex life was like that.. Mr. Straight to the point.. Mr 2 Minute man.. Just take it easy and i'm sure things will get juicier when we get in deeper... just take it slow and dont rush...

Yeah anyone can late reg and try to mincash, nothing wrong with going for that strategy. Its probably super low edge though if you're not colluding since you're just mimicking a 10bb push/fold chart or whatever and you're paying rake. Sure, you can time yourself down every hand, but the rest of the table won't necessarily be doing that.

The problem is that these suspect accounts/potential bots are colluding with each other to gain a massively higher chance to mincash by all joining the same table and all timing down / soft playing eachother. This is super +EV (mincashing 80% of the time), and since poker tournaments are a zero sum game, that EV is coming from the rest of the player pool. And don't forget that after they mincash, they're still in the tournament to potentially earn higher payouts. If they're pooling their chips by chip dumping they're stealing even more EV.

I don't mind the tournament talk but 100% tournament talk? Its just weird that its all tournament talk after superuser was brought up and that he doesn't think anyone should play cash games on the site.

Joey keep to cash games talk before these donkament guys abduct you, and you find yourself jamming AK as a fist pump play, just yuk.

Cash game isnt tracked on sharkscope. if theyre able to do this kind of cheating in tournaments, im sure cash game is even more money for them..

It used to be you tried not to create situations for people to cheat. Now we have this situation, anonymous DONs(to be clear on Bovada), and an extremely top heavy rake race that encourages botting and multiple players on one account.

Step one of security is locking your doors.

It has been explained many times in this thread.

My biggest takeaway from all of this is that tournaments might be softer than I ever imagined. Even with these accounts all over the site.

I have played a minimal number of online tourneys lifetime and can think of many ways to exploit this easily off the top of my head but if I had some time to focus on them, I would probably come up with advanced ways that no one at ACR would ever be able to imagine to detect.

The ****ed up thing is that after exposing the MTT exploit and one way people are using it, and showing how incompetent the ACR security is. I expect more people will start doing it in all formats. Why wouldn't they?