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This is exactly why I will never mess with a site that doesn't allow hand histories. I don't care about huds but without being able to analyze stats of players you can never find bots, superusers and colluding. The sites themselves don't find the cheaters, 2+2 posters grouping up do...........

Narcissists think cheating is completely OK as long as they're the ones doing it.

#2 is a great idea

#2 would mess with humans too tho that tile a lot of tables.

on ignition you can get not just your hands but also everyone's hands at the table after waiting 24 hours and using ignition hand converter

ignition is my main site so i would also like to see ignition step up their security game

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...=#post52146589

Can we throw this guy in the investigation list too please

If you are serious about this then reach out anytime. I’ll talk to Phil if I see him at LAC

It wouldn’t really. It would be moving cards by a pixel or 2, which would be barely noticeable by the human eye. One thing it could mess up for a user is using some sort of custom cards plugin

so much useless ****ing noise itt, def dont have time to read through it all and dont play on ACR. cliffs?

How much money can you really make getting high ITM rates in low-buy in tournaments by chip dumping? Aren't the accounts they are chip dumping from losing money?

Joey made a yt vid saying to stay away from ACR due to cheating and collusion.

Accounts on ACR gave someone the "heebee jeebees" which followed by people proving and disproving said names

44bars got his privilege checked on ps

joey made another video with proof of people colluding in tournaments, and showed how they do it.

someone else came in with bovada collusion video.

Lots....

Player A gets in with player B,C,D all at the same table. You can reg many mtts on here with 3-4 tables left. Everyone is jamming their 10 or less BB stack so most looks normal, one of A-D ends up with all the chips of the team and has like 50 people to get through and is probably top 5 at this point.

Oddly enough, in my PT4 I'm getting destroyed in these type of mtts despite the size, yet doing quite well in all of the huge fields, makes opposite sense.

These are two separate things. The insanely high ITM rates are from the accounts all hopping onto the same table right at the end of late reg and just before the bubble and all timing down/folding to each other (aka colluding). So you are extremely likely to make a small profit (mincash), and then are freerolling the rest of the tournament basically for higher payouts.

This is EXACTLY what they are doing. Just open the Early Special 7K as registration ends. They jam register and a new table opens. Then every one of them time out and/or disconnect into the money. There are usually 81 places paid and 105-115 players when reg closes. They don't even get a full orbit per blind level.

Once the bubble goes, chips fly with good pot odds preflop, basically all. One or two wins a hand. Lather, rinse, repeat....

^^^^ yeah, this

I'm not sure it's a great idea for us to give a public step-by-step on the strat.

But, the strat would be to have a bunch of bots playing on VMs and VPNs, you control all. When you see an MTT that is 1) still in late reg; 2) near the money bubble; 3) has close to a multiple of 9 entrants -- then you instantaneously register your bots. Most or all of your bots should end up at the same table together.

Now, you try to time down until all of your bots are ITM. Once they are ITM, you chip dump to one bot and let that bot try to make a deep run.

You'll end up with a bunch of accounts with super high ITM%, and an overall profit as one of the 9 bots will be going deep a decent amount of the time.

There could even be groups of players who coordinate this with one another.

wrong place

Would be surprised if it isn't a group to some extent. There are 5 or 6 of the same players every single time. Other people do it in their own, some have even said that is what they were trying to do in the chat box, 'just cash baby'.

I haven't kept up on this. Was there ever a consensus on 44bars or an educated guess about him?

He admitted his "Playing privilege" was suspended on stars for an unknown reason. Also a few players in the Portugal poker community do not have great things to say about him.



As far as I know, no smoking gun about his BOSS wins.

One of the names on the list in Joey's video was "tankfold." Tankfold?? Are you ******* kidding? Rubbing our noses in it.

If someone were to just jump in late and sit among the alleged bots/colluders is that cheating or exploiting a system flaw? asking for a friend..

It's not illegal/violation of T & C to late reg or time down your clock. It is not allowed to disconnect intentionally and/or to conspire to enter at the same with others to time down, aka collusion.

WPN is really between a rock and a hard place with this. Can't imagine how they can prove it is happening and ban them or fix it easily/quickly. I would rather have tables re-seat and potentially lose a good position than have to deal with a table full of jerkoffs. Even a ban would likely result in a series of new accounts being created to continue the charade.

I don't think any site would be happy with this nonsense.

Easy Fix.. Close late reg earlier or payout less spots but double those min cashes. I remember this issue was actually from a bunch complaints that people were stalling many tables during late reg or h4h so WPN started adding all the late reggers to one table..

this was an issue WPN gave into and could have been setup..

Exactly, and my point is that when you create a situation that is no easily exploitable you invite shenannigans like this. They very well could be bots, but really there is no need for automation to take advantage of this.

Can we as a community agree to pressure for these improvements as a start.
1) WPN needs to make sure late registration closes FAR from the bubble.
2) Hands at showdown need to be exposed!

IMO, #2 is VERY important, provides a better way for the players to monitor their own games and provide solid data/stats/evidence when required.

One thing that the old PTR (PokerTableRatings) provided was a window into what was happening online. Would be great to have such a site today!

Saw that too, sometimes criminals implicate themselves without even realizing it though. "**** I need another name.. Uhhh...tankfold! That sounds good, poker related!"