Anishimi, get_arh, ninja33284, 4 my baby love, jgruber crashed the 2K $5+.50 at the last minute and are timing down now.

Only 11 spots to ITM, they will draw it down bad

By the way, they are all from the US but Arh

Min cash is a f'n $2.00 profit. Pathetic.

This is encouraging.

Although, I'm pretty sure this WPN Rep has said this before?

Maybe Joey really did cause a panic.. this is picking up steam

FYP, cmon joey give solid evidence for cheating in few days/weeks and security team allowed it for months/years. Nice security team you have there.

Don’t be too encouraged it’s basically a template that all Poker sites use when there are allegations against them. It doesn’t mean they will do anything, it’s just to make us think they will.

I would like to see Phil Nagy do another stream on twitch and give us his thoughts on this issue and what his resolution is for all the bot activity going on. I know they can't get rid of all of them but if he can wipe out the majority thats all poker players can ask for. And when they show up again doing the same patterns we report them keep removing them and confiscate their funds so they don't want to come back and try again.

Thank you Joey!

FU WPN

Someone in the ACR sub-forum a while back posted a late reg./house bot theory that was actually quite compelling, and I can't find the post. There's just too many bot threads to comb through.

I'm glad there's a spotlight on the late reg shadiness.

So which one are you...

Hi...

i abuse the exploitable bots. that being said, i did just request 10k off the site to lower my exposure. ill move to ignition for all but the weekly milly untill i see how this plays out.

what are you? one of the addicts?

I encourage everyone to not only save any communications with WPN, but also post evidence publicly. The WPN skin I am familiar with (Betcoin) has a history of gaslighting, deleting, and countering criticism with paid forum posters. They have a history of security issues and their responses to any criticism was always to play dumb to the point that they themselves were either idiots when it came to thinking about security, or, and this has been my opinion for a year and a half now, absolutely complicit. Please save any communications and don't expect WPN to solve the problem. The public must litigate this.

Also thanks joey for bringing attention to this, finally someone with some credentials that people will give a hearing to. I am very interested in your upcoming video in which you have alluded to superusers.

I'm an addict of busting scumbags...No matter how long it takes.
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This thread brings back so many memories... the old days...

http://archives2.twoplustwo.com/show...0&fpart=1&vc=1

Definitely old school seeing the RGP header.

LMAO at "Providing a safe gameplay environment is the highest priority for the Winning Poker Network."

There has literally been a thread with evidence on the WPN section showing 10+ bots at NL10 on your site for over a year and they are still playing to this very day. It was also sent to support on multiple occasions so don't come in here and spew absolute ****ing ****.

Joey, I want to thank you again for using your platform to bring attention to this issue. There are a lot of people who have been trying to alert WPN about possible cheating for quite some time, as evidenced by posts in the sponsored forum, unfortunately the response there didn’t take the user’s concern’s as seriously as they have now this is the top thread on NVG.

I’m happy that WPN posted a serious response about a serious issue….finally. The WPN-td responses in the sponsored forum have been less than laudable.

WPN’s response to cheating over the past couple of years has been an abject failure by their own standards. Back then the mad botter made a thread bragging about making 30k on WPN, Mr. Nagy vowed to make:

I don’t think that they’ve made good on that claim, as I’ve shown earlier that bot manufacturers list WPN as the bottom of the heap when it comes to anti-bot security measures.

What Joey did is great, and WPN’s response now has been better than what we’ve seen in the sponsored forum, but my major question is why exactly is the onus on users to point out to WPN stats about suspected cheating?

Ideally, one would expect a poker site to act and investigate cheating and deal with the cheaters, particularly ones that have been operating as overly as some of the ones on ACR have seemingly been doing.

This. I asked for all the hands I’ve played over the last 5 months and they keep giving me indirect responses. Telling me to report specific information about foul play & inviting me to check out ongoing promotions . I need hands to provide specifics. Just sent out the 3rd email explicitly asking for my own hh’s..

I posted this in another thread, but I want more eyes on it if possible.

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I know the spotlight is on WPN, but this has got to be going on on Bovada as well, right? There's no usernames on there, though, so there's no data we can analyze or anyone we could ever point a finger at.

I've posted this vid in some other cheating/colluding threads. I'll post it here as well to give you an idea of what is going on in terms of confirmed multi-accounting/chip dumping:



Basically, this guy had many different accounts registered under different people and would chip dump to himself by using Zone. He was also using the same IP on all of the accounts! (The loophole is that players on the same IP can't sit with each other on any other tables other than Zone.)

Just sharing this to give you an idea of what is going on elsewhere.

Zone is my main game, so seeing this video pissed me the f*ck off.

Well, this is about as PC as it gets. I hope you are serious when you say you are thoroughly investigating. WPN has been on a solid upward trend for a long time now, and this could a major set back. I enjoy playing there, but not at the expense of being colluded against. The bots are another thing. Bots can be beaten by some players, but not all. The bots really hurt the new customers the site is trying to bring in. The bots never give them a chance. Especially given the % of rake that is paid at the lower levels.

I hope the site is able to clean it all up.

This may have been true a decade ago but is definitely no longer the case.

Current bots have very few leaks and can handily beat basically all of the regs at low stakes and micros (not to mention they make the games unbeatable after rake). And they absolutely demolish recreational players at all stakes of course.

Did he really post his account as "dankmann"? No wonder he got busted. Dumb idiot says hes been doing it for years but he still broke and needed money for a car... I guess he used Bovada as a bank.. hahah

Epic video Joey. And it's only the very tip of the iceberg.

I'm glad WPN_REP made a post and I hope they make a really serious effort to fight all the various forms of cheating. Also it's shameful Joey received backlash from WPN management/owners for "going public."

As I've stated before this is not specific to WPN (I can't speak on the MTT loopholes or extent of collusion). Sites need to be hiring people with "botting" (I use this term loosely--ranging from full automation to hand/game state scrapers matched to solver solutions) experience to advise them how to combat it.

IMO the following could potentially help: 1.) get rid of people playing in VM's and on VPN's (though there are ways to get around this and/or disguise what info is leaving a machine). 2.) Every hand change the cards font/positioning/number position. If the sites can make it such that the scrapers cannot effectively read the hands or game state it will solve a massage amount of the "botting" going on.

I feel like #2 in some form or fashion is the only potential solution to "botting."