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03-14-2018 , 05:19 PM

#1026

hAmThEkIlLeR

grinder

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 569

Joey, please clean out your inbox. I'm going to try and get you into contact with the Forbes editorial staff.

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03-14-2018 , 07:34 PM

#1027

Dick Tracy

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 1,793

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Originally Posted by WorldzMine

That's probably heading into rigtard land. I think superusers are more likely than that, and superusers are pretty unlikely.

Based on what?

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03-14-2018 , 08:02 PM

#1028

xBIGx

banned

Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 390

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Originally Posted by hAmThEkIlLeR

Joey, please clean out your inbox. I'm going to try and get you into contact with the Forbes editorial staff.

LMFAO! I can't stop laughing.

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03-14-2018 , 08:08 PM

#1029

xBIGx

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Originally Posted by Dick Tracy

I mean, super using is definitely plausible on these black market poker sites. It's totally plausible that someone could be using a modified client that allows them to see hole cards and/or runouts. They would just need to play their cards wisely in order to not be detected. (Basically don't pull a POTRIPPER.)

All of this would be so much harder to detect on Bovada due to its anonymous nature.

Kinda odd how all these years and I still never hit any of my flush draws. I honestly don't trust PROVABLY FAIR RNGS after doing some google search for PROVABLY FAIR EXPLOIT.

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03-15-2018 , 11:31 PM

#1030

RevengeoftheDonks

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Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 481

Do you think their is anyway they will give refunds for HU PLO. There were a few Russian players who had very fishy play. 4 bet calling 5 bets with kj75 then flatting Ds aces. Playing similar holdings on same board textures based on what it seemed I had. And tons of other things that are suspect. They were regs sitting their every day not random fish. Based on how some of these Russian players played i would not be surprised if super using was going on. Seems much harder to prove than 6 max collusion bots.

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03-16-2018 , 03:41 PM

#1031

Poker Clif

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Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 5,806

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Originally Posted by WorldzMine

That's probably heading into rigtard land. I think superusers are more likely than that, and superusers are pretty unlikely. I do think collusion and people using real-time GTO helper software are the most likely things going on.

Can this really be done in real time? I have an equity calculator and I very occasionally use it after a hand to see if I made a good play. But it seems like doing that kind of thing during a hand, especially for a multitabler who can only look at each table for a few seconds, would be too distracting.

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03-16-2018 , 03:44 PM

#1032

Poker Clif

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Originally Posted by xBIGx

Kinda odd how all these years and I still never hit any of my flush draws. I honestly don't trust PROVABLY FAIR RNGS after doing some google search for PROVABLY FAIR EXPLOIT.

You NEVER hit any of your flush draws? That sounds like observer bias to me. Also, what kind of sample size are we talking about--hundreds of flush draws where you never hit?

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03-16-2018 , 04:08 PM

#1033

a dewd

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Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 4,594

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Originally Posted by Poker Clif

A friend that has been in serious trouble for hacking and other programming trouble laughed at me when we were discussing 'illegal software' in regards to poker. He said he could run whatever illegal software a poker site bans and have zero concerns of getting caught. I've not a clue how other than it's on a second hardrive linked to the main computer with a wall or something blocking detection/invasion.

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03-16-2018 , 04:13 PM

#1034

Kelvis

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Originally Posted by xBIGx

Kinda odd how all these years and I still never hit any of my flush draws. I honestly don't trust PROVABLY FAIR RNGS after doing some google search for PROVABLY FAIR EXPLOIT.

Are you special or something like that?

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03-16-2018 , 06:24 PM

#1035

xBIGx

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Originally Posted by Poker Clif

You NEVER hit any of your flush draws? That sounds like observer bias to me. Also, what kind of sample size are we talking about--hundreds of flush draws where you never hit?

haha I been playing on this site since 2013 and cant even remember a time where I hit my flush draw... I know its 20% but I've seen a lot of other 15-20%ers hit left and right.

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03-16-2018 , 06:35 PM

#1036

Derp!

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Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 687

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Originally Posted by xBIGx

haha I been playing on this site since 2013 and cant even remember a time where I hit my flush draw... I know its 20% but I've seen a lot of other 15-20%ers hit left and right.

Enough of this riggie derail.

Joey, thanks again! Keep up the good work.

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03-16-2018 , 06:47 PM

#1037

xBIGx

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Originally Posted by Derp!

Enough of this riggie derail.

Joey, thanks again! Keep up the good work.

Riggie derail? Are you ******ed or just cant read titles?

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03-16-2018 , 06:56 PM

#1038

Kelvis

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So you are special. Let's not make fun of this one, it's common decency.

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03-16-2018 , 08:16 PM

#1039

adam levine

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Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,569

Damn it NVG,this is why we can’t have nice things.Joey speaks up against bots and unfair tourney exploits and the thread delves into “I knew I was a winning player,I just never hit a flush draw,after years” and “Superusers can see all run outs” (hint:Potripper could not).

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03-16-2018 , 08:34 PM

#1040

xBIGx

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I guess they roll in packs.. haha

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03-16-2018 , 08:49 PM

#1041

Bobo Fett

Carpe Diem

Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 56,896

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Originally Posted by xBIGx

Riggie derail? Are you ******ed or just cant read titles?

Seriously?

Unless you have some kind of evidence, we have a special thread in Internet Poker for your "I never hit flush draw" posts. That is a riggie derail, and isn't needed here. Like a lot of your posts, really.

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03-16-2018 , 10:20 PM

#1042

RE-DOUGH

grinder

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 400

Quick question. What is the process for getting a refund? I’d be shocked if it was an automatic audit or some ****. I’ve played on ACR forever.

Thanks

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03-17-2018 , 12:08 AM

#1043

whosnext

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 6,733

I just deleted the latest posts regarding RNG rigging.

Those posts do not belong in this thread and are nothing but a derail at this point.

Any further posts along those lines in this thread will lead to a temp-ban.

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03-17-2018 , 01:42 AM

#1044

Bobo Fett

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Originally Posted by ChicagoJoey

New video talking about the Winning Poker Network CONFIRMING cheating on the site & issuing refunds to cash game players, bots being banned & reappearing, comments made by ACR CEO & the connection between software creator IG Soft & shady skin PokerKing.

Disappointed the superusing stuff comes up multiple times with not much more than basically "their security is terrible so you can't trust them to investigate superusers". I think the issue only deters from your other points until you have something substantial behind it.

If you're gathering evidence, hopefully it's working. But if you're not, and you don't have any, I think it makes more sense to drop the subject until you have something to back it up with.

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03-17-2018 , 01:54 AM

#1045

Sir Huntington

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Wasn't the superuser stuff only in 1 vid from him? Seemed pretty isolated from what I saw and was the only mention of superusers that I saw. Most people were just on about the bots, tourney stuff and possible collusion.

I'm curious where Joey got the superuser stuff other then just general paranoia.

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03-17-2018 , 02:00 AM

#1046

Bobo Fett

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The post I quoted contained his most recent video on WPN. That's the video I'm referring to - he brings it up more than once.

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03-17-2018 , 02:27 AM

#1047

Sir Huntington

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Ah gotcha, I just watched it a few hours ago but I was skimming 2p2 and facebook so I coulda missed it. I was curious about the superuser stuff after his first vid I think it was, Joey seems like the only guy saying superuser except maybe a random poster here and there and I spent a decent amount of time in the WPN forum.

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03-17-2018 , 08:05 AM

#1048

lolregs

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Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 207

lolz. there was recent update within last 24 hours. HU tables have no Russians online, and 6max games seem empty of them also...wat a suprise.

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03-17-2018 , 08:08 AM

#1049

Uhrenknecht

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Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 3,896

well that's interesting. Flag every player that needs a longer time to get online whenever there was an update.

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03-17-2018 , 09:20 AM

#1050

lolregs

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Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 207

well yea, same russian 40bb accounts that play identical and are online everyday pulling 8 hour sessions like its nothing, then the only time they're not online is after an update or a Joeingram WPN is full of bots VDO is released...then yea bit suspicious and post worthy imo

But ok, you have been playing microstakes donkaments for the past 8 years so ill give you a break, problem solving not ur strong point.

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