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Chicago Joey accuses WPN (ACR) of massive botting and cheating, beware? Chicago Joey accuses WPN (ACR) of massive botting and cheating, beware?

02-16-2018 , 05:25 PM
Maybe to WPN's credit, I haven't seen any of the three accounts I reported at the tables in the past two days.

I'm not going to give out any names, but one of the players seemed to me to clearly be a bottom-tier bot.

It had a c-bet stat of 82, but it's fold to cbet raise was 99 percent, but it's not really accurate to say it folded almost every time its cbet was raised.....it timed out. Every single time you raised it's cbet, it just sat there until the clock timed it out, and then it was immediately in the next hand.


If WPN nuked these accounts, I want to congratulate them on doing the right thing.

If I see them around again, well you know where I'll be.
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02-16-2018 , 05:43 PM
^whyd you kill your cash cow
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02-16-2018 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Thrash370
I can see what posts have been deleted and the only posts that were deleted were derailing another thread. 0 posts have been deleted in the thread you mentioned in your edit
ya i meant the post by FreshThyme in the thread about adjusting start times. We all know you're a good guy Thrash, it's also widely recognized that you are pretty much in bed with ACR, even more so now that you moved back to the states. You used to be one of my heros, when I saw you changed from stars to wpn after the sne debacle my heart sunk and now you are defending them at every chance. How do you feel about the late reg "loophole? Your posts are biased and IMO shouldn't be taken as fact anymore.

edit - and i dont think the post(s) that were deleted were derails at all, with the "loophole" still existing i think every single thread relating to mtts the loophole applies to. Like how can we exploit it ourselves for profit or how do we combat it?
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02-16-2018 , 05:53 PM
Bots get tired too.
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02-16-2018 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by hAmThEkIlLeR
Maybe to WPN's credit, I haven't seen any of the three accounts I reported at the tables in the past two days.

I'm not going to give out any names, but one of the players seemed to me to clearly be a bottom-tier bot.

It had a c-bet stat of 82, but it's fold to cbet raise was 99 percent, but it's not really accurate to say it folded almost every time its cbet was raised.....it timed out. Every single time you raised it's cbet, it just sat there until the clock timed it out, and then it was immediately in the next hand.


If WPN nuked these accounts, I want to congratulate them on doing the right thing.

If I see them around again, well you know where I'll be.

Strike that. One account just changed stakes.
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02-16-2018 , 07:07 PM
Im sorry Thrash370, I feel bad. I'll stay out of this and hope for the best, a good outcome for everyone. This is out of my pay grade. I understand why you moved to WPN and that you're just doing the best you can to support yourself and your family like a lot of us are doing or are trying to do. I was excited and hopeful for you and the network overall, I liked sng2.0's you designed etc. I was considering depositing and playing mtts again on WPN recently until all this happened. I know you're a good guy sorry for being a dick.
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02-16-2018 , 07:59 PM
Meh nvm.

Last edited by Knittle; 02-16-2018 at 08:05 PM.
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02-16-2018 , 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Rich Checkmaker
its funny that in your second attempt to list the names you dont put any commas or anything to separate the names other than more blank space which when copy and pasted will run the names together again. lol.
I can appreciate an attempt to troll
I also see the humor you trying to create appreciate the efforts, I actually do enjoy jokes esp original jokes.

serious question thoough cuz most jokes that have a ring of truth are a the real gems IMO

where when you copy paste vertically and then paste would it convert them to a horizontal line and eliminate the space characters?

I actually to be honest didn't think that was a thang, if it is somehow goodstuff

I find funny that copy pasting instead of reading and inputting data to examine a serious security threat funny a bit more.

I also find a supervisor who doesn't even realize what he has is longer then the characters allowed for a name instead of saying "hello concerned customer we must have the information you sent wrong" cuz I bet they actually searched that long name no BS I bet he did and said "hmm that name doesn't even have an account on here" and thought I was an idiot(while true just not cuz of that)..now that is funny in a sad way but w/o tragedy can you really even have humor

I also firmly believe at this point even if I had put anything between the name they woulda searched those special characters also or said "hey those special characters are not even allowed"

I find it super funny that after yeeeeeears on the sub forum that the supervisors did not already know about the names and coulda figured it out already.

I also find it funny that the email itself derived from a supervisor prompting me to formalize the email after a long phone conversation where we discussed all names involved could/would did not figure that out

anyways good joke
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02-17-2018 , 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by big bwalz
@ bobo fett, Mason Malmuth or anybody else who's concerned..

I believe Bobo suggested somewhere in here posting in the WPN subforum about the late reg loophole and other things.. Not much has been done there but when people do comment about the late reg loophole the WPN mods are just deleting it, censoring their forum while continuing to advertise here and get new deposits. Not a good look for 2+2, not a good situation for anybody other than WPN and those participating in nefarious activities or wanting to profit from them (regs dependent on beast & snc to make a living).. They appear to be continuing along with business as usual, ignoring everything hoping it will go away. I will cross post this in the ATF thread about WPN also for the powers that be to view.

edit.. they are allowing a thread called "ideas to fix late reg loophole" but are deleting a lot of posts about it too.
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Originally Posted by gregorio
I'm not sure if this is what you mean, but there are no deleted posts in the "ideas to fix late reg loophole" thread.
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Originally Posted by big bwalz
That's good, and I wasn't talking about that thread, I meant the deleted posts in the thread about the million $ sunday change in start time which may have been made before the "fix the loophole thread" and a couple other random posts in the subforum that I guess they could consider trolling to justify deletions. FreshThyme made one of the deleted posts. It's good they are leaving the thread open for fixing the loophole but the fact that the accounts in question are still exploiting it as of yesterday as AFAICT is not good.
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
I know you're trying to help, big bwalz - but you're not.

If there was some concerted effort by WPN to remove posts about these different problems, there wouldn't be multiple bot threads, a thread about fixing the late reg loophole, and a thread about "empowering players..." that has also become a thread about the late reg issue, all on the front page of their forum.

Yes, I see they deleted 6 posts from their thread about a changed weekly million start time, probably because they had nothing to do with the changed weekly million start time.

And now I guess I get to go copy this reply over in the NVG thread since you posted this there as well.

Sigh.
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Originally Posted by big bwalz
edit - and i dont think the post(s) that were deleted were derails at all, with the "loophole" still existing i think every single thread relating to mtts the loophole applies to. Like how can we exploit it ourselves for profit or how do we combat it?
Well, given that, in addition to all the threads I mentioned above, there are already posts in the main Sunday Million thread about this, I don't think it's surprising that some posts in the changed start time thread were deleted to keep it on the topic of the start time change.
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02-17-2018 , 11:46 AM
Maybe next Joey can investigate all the bots on Global Poker...
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02-17-2018 , 02:14 PM
Random post here thought it might relate. I had 10k sitting on ACR for over a year where I didn't play or login to the account in 2015. Fast forward to 2016 I try to login and it says my email address does not exist. I contact support and they said there was never an account with my email linked to it. After about 2 weeks of back and forth emails(In which I provided email proof that my account existed with that email and also threatened to take it public) they gave my money back.

So it's pretty obvious they look at accounts with no activity on them and just literally take your money and delete your account(lol) I'm sure this happens for much bigger amounts from rich whales.
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02-17-2018 , 02:22 PM
That's just natural selection at work.
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02-17-2018 , 02:32 PM
The poker website climate seems stable as of late, I don't really see a problem leaving 5 figures on a site for over a year and trusting it'll be there when you return at your whim.

lol
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02-17-2018 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ovie
Random post here thought it might relate. I had 10k sitting on ACR for over a year where I didn't play or login to the account in 2015. Fast forward to 2016 I try to login and it says my email address does not exist. I contact support and they said there was never an account with my email linked to it. After about 2 weeks of back and forth emails(In which I provided email proof that my account existed with that email and also threatened to take it public) they gave my money back.

So it's pretty obvious they look at accounts with no activity on them and just literally take your money and delete your account(lol) I'm sure this happens for much bigger amounts from rich whales.
They do this on NJ party poker as well.
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02-17-2018 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ovie
Random post here thought it might relate. I had 10k sitting on ACR for over a year where I didn't play or login to the account in 2015. Fast forward to 2016 I try to login and it says my email address does not exist. I contact support and they said there was never an account with my email linked to it. After about 2 weeks of back and forth emails(In which I provided email proof that my account existed with that email and also threatened to take it public) they gave my money back.

So it's pretty obvious they look at accounts with no activity on them and just literally take your money and delete your account(lol) I'm sure this happens for much bigger amounts from rich whales.
Same happened to me for almost 10k. Exact scenario I came back after a year to grind on acr when i was on vacation, I could not login, so i reached out to support who told me my email didnt exist. With some back and forth it turns out my email was completely misspelled and instead teflonblast@yahoo.com it was telflelfonblast@yahoo.com. I never made this email change, or recieved any emails from my real email saying that i was approved of any form of email change. The money from my account was withdrawn via bitcoin (my account didnt have enough rake paid to even withdraw regularly at the moment. thats why i left the money on, because btc withdrawel wasnt available yet)

I called them and they instantly froze my account and accused me of having a partner and doing this on my own to scam them. After a few follow ups i just gave up and told my close poker friends never to use acr. I didnt knwo what to do at the time. I thought maybe i was hacked, but i had no other breaches in anything other than acr. And given their track record lately Im pretty sure they stole my money.

Edit- the timeframe is exactly the same as well. When i used to login they had a username login where you used your screen name. At the time of me losing my money it was changed to an email login only. Which was a weird update given that i was never notified of that by email either.
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02-17-2018 , 07:40 PM
Quality in depth analysis there.
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02-17-2018 , 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by YaDaDaMeeN21
Same happened to me for almost 10k. Exact scenario I came back after a year to grind on acr when i was on vacation, I could not login, so i reached out to support who told me my email didnt exist. With some back and forth it turns out my email was completely misspelled and instead teflonblast@yahoo.com it was telflelfonblast@yahoo.com. I never made this email change, or recieved any emails from my real email saying that i was approved of any form of email change. The money from my account was withdrawn via bitcoin (my account didnt have enough rake paid to even withdraw regularly at the moment. thats why i left the money on, because btc withdrawel wasnt available yet)

I called them and they instantly froze my account and accused me of having a partner and doing this on my own to scam them. After a few follow ups i just gave up and told my close poker friends never to use acr. I didnt knwo what to do at the time. I thought maybe i was hacked, but i had no other breaches in anything other than acr. And given their track record lately Im pretty sure they stole my money.

Edit- the timeframe is exactly the same as well. When i used to login they had a username login where you used your screen name. At the time of me losing my money it was changed to an email login only. Which was a weird update given that i was never notified of that by email either.
Sounds odd ....

You had $10,000 or so on deposit but did not generate enough rake to withdraw ?

Did you deposit about $10K to begin with , or did you run it up that high without generating rake or fees ?

How many hands had you played before you left ?
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02-17-2018 , 08:12 PM
i deposited planning to leave stars after they cancelled sne. I was going go put in the volume on that site, but was offered a better deal from an affiliate for bcp. So i just left it on figuring i would rake it later. I only played a few thousand hands. Almost a year later i was on a trip to korea when i had some deadtime and decided to grind some hands on acr and get the money off, thats when i found out what happened.
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02-17-2018 , 09:07 PM
while we are at it , can you idiots try to act like our money means something to you

what's with the goofy # tournament announcements
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02-17-2018 , 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by YaDaDaMeeN21
i deposited planning to leave stars after they cancelled sne. I was going go put in the volume on that site, but was offered a better deal from an affiliate for bcp. So i just left it on figuring i would rake it later. I only played a few thousand hands. Almost a year later i was on a trip to korea when i had some deadtime and decided to grind some hands on acr and get the money off, thats when i found out what happened.
Did you ask support for all the IP addresses that accessed your account? I think you got jacked by an insider.. just recently ACR just started using anti brute force tech. a year or two ago they didnt have this type of stuff.
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02-18-2018 , 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by xBIGx
Did you ask support for all the IP addresses that accessed your account? I think you got jacked by an insider.. just recently ACR just started using anti brute force tech. a year or two ago they didnt have this type of stuff.
At the time i did, i cant remember the actual ip but it was completely different than my location. What made me so certain it was within the company was that i was still receiving all of the normal promotion emails from acr before and after the date of my email being changed. If that email wasnt in circulation anymore how was i still getting all the same emails i was getting before?

They kept telling me they would forward my issue, never called me back, or looked into it. And really gave me the run around on the phone. I was pretty easily discouraged, and figured at the time that posting about it would get me no where. But after reading that post about the same situation, i def needed to at least warn people about the crazy sh.t that can potentially happen on these lower level sites.

Last edited by YaDaDaMeeN21; 02-18-2018 at 02:24 AM.
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02-18-2018 , 02:39 AM
Does anyone have any proof of actions by WPN since this has come out? Anyone noticed any suspect accounts no longer there? I played 1k hands against one of the accounts I reported today. Maybe I'm wrong and he's just a very horrible Ukranian with a robotic style.
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02-18-2018 , 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by hAmThEkIlLeR
Does anyone have any proof of actions by WPN since this has come out? Anyone noticed any suspect accounts no longer there? I played 1k hands against one of the accounts I reported today. Maybe I'm wrong and he's just a very horrible Ukranian with a robotic style.
ACR doesn't care. All the bot accounts will come back.

The HU lobby was like a ghost town for the first couple days after joey released his latest vids. Now all the accounts are back except for 2. They all playing exact style, buyin for 40bb's, weird sitouts and come back 15 minutes later.
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02-18-2018 , 04:49 AM
what stakes? ^
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02-18-2018 , 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by abracadabranuts
what stakes? ^
100nl to 1knl
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