I was thinking the same thing till yesterday am when I saw a new vid for the sunday milly a rep of theirs posted in their subforum about a time adjustment. After seeing their new youtube vid that they shared with us I took it as somewhat of a middle finger. It's entirely possible I'm being oversensitive

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...2&postcount=64.

They're giving the players what they want. Unless you've been living under a rock for the past few, you'd know that table camping is the #1 problem players have been complaining about in recent memory.

Good memory. I refer to that video in this post:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=416

Click the "Thread: Don Collusion Thread" link at the upper right on that page and you'll see some discussion of Phil's remarks at that time.

Unfortunately I didn't think to make a copy of that video, and it seems to be long gone from Twitch.

To WPN's credit, after making that ridiculous statement and taking a lot of heat in that thread, they eventually stopped offering DONs.
And at one point after that WPN made me do a captcha-type test at a table to prove that I was not a bot. So some efforts were made.

But I agree with mcc3504 that Phil's comment in that Twitch video showed WPN's general attitude toward game integrity then - and, apparently, still now.

In regards to this glitch...If you watch the original video that Joey posted on his Instagram you can hear the player say at the very beginning that the flop was originally K79 or Ks7h9c. The turn card (8c) then gets dealt and covers the Ks that was originally on the flop. This is where we first see the board. So we see 8c7h9c but there is actually a Ks under that 8c. Then the river (8d) is dealt over the 7h. Now we see a board of 8c8d9c when it is actually Ks7h9c8c8d. When the hand ends the entire board is briefly shown correctly which seems very shocking but they were all the cards that were actually dealt during the hand. To me this is just a glitch that needs to be fixed. I don't really see any reason to believe that it's anything more. The cards were simply landing in the wrong spots.
Don't get me wrong this is a huge glitch that needs to be fixed but the board did not change. It was covered

Even with this explanation, the turn card (8c) is still shown to the player before flop betting is completed.

Remember when Phil Nagy gave us his 10 reasons why Donald Trump couldn't run America's Cardroom?

Lol @ #6

No it's not. the video starts after the turn is dealt over the Ks. The opponent has already bet the turn card when the video starts. Hero then calls and the river is dealt over the 7h. The action then goes check check and the entire board is shown correctly (which is probably how his opponent was viewing the board the entire time). How are you gathering that he sees any cards before his opponent?

+1.
I'm pretty sure it's +ev register as late as you can in any mtt, and it's also +ev to stall with a small stack close to the bubble (peolple do it on stars too). ACR have less players in their mtt so these 2 things are more effective and some people take advantage of it in a f***** up way but that doesnt mean they are colluding. (softplaying vs each other would be a strong indicator)
The site should clearly change the structure of some of their mtt if they massively reward stalling and colluding but the players are not necesserly at fault.( unless they collude obv)

Their itm % doesn't prove they are cheating. It proves that they are taking advantage of the structure.

If they really enter at the exact same second then it's obviously the same person, but if it's like within a minute right before registration close then it doesnt mean they collude.

The simple fact that this hand is at all hard to break down goes to the incompetence of this site . . .

Posting from my phone & awful at quoting on 2+2 but 2nd post in this thread lays out WPN’s stance on security very clearly.
http://https://forumserver.twoplustw...cerns-1691997/

Winning_TD says, “Before you sit here and think security and I are useless we send a warning email when its a first offence. However we don’t sit there and look out for things unless someone reports it.”

Late reg should not be anywhere close to the money. If the guarantee must be less then so be it. Reseating the entire tournament after the last reg break would help, but is an inconvenience to the players who have normal regged and have reads on their table.

This 5 hours of late reg stuff is bs. The incentive of the site to allow colluders to prop up the guarantee is too strong. The site gets no rake out of the actual gameplay in a tournament, and does not care if the prizes are awarded to colluders and super-users.

My very last fun ACR experience was a 80 percent vpip player who played QJo like the nuts, pre and post flop.

3-bet pot, hero early position with AKs
Flop is AT7
Hero C-bet, vil raises, hero calls
Turn is K
Hero bets, villain goes all in, hero calls
Fun game

I'm very skeptical of this, but I'm interested to hear a case made for it. It is off-topic for this thread, but would you make a new thread to discuss it? (shoot me a PM with the link so I don't miss it).

I'm actually serious, not trolling here.


I think those ITM numbers are impossible for large field MTTs unless you are colluding.

But, it's not just their ITM % that is damning. Did you watch the vid?

Joey Real talk I don't know how much You would like the 9-5 anymore (I could never go back) but I just fell like hearing all Your ideas on how to catch cheating, why not talk to Galfond to make a better site with him . . .

Not much to discuss about it. It's basically ICM, the closer to a payjump you get the more a short stack is worth. Your starting stack is worth more 1 player from the money than 1000 players from the money.

The first frame of this in Joey's vid shows three cards (8c7h9c). Then, the 8d is dealt over or in place of the 7h. In Joey's vid, we don't see the Ks until showdown.

What makes you say that this starts with turn action or that the Ks was visible to the user before we see the showdown? Am I just missing it? Is there another version of this somewhere? Is there audio that I'm not hearing? TIA

What if you are a much better player than most of the field? Wouldn't it make sense to play as much as possible with as many weak players as possible?

Can’t confirm what happened with the K but +1 to round of betting being completed before the 8d was dealt. So video shows glitch and potentially vulnerable software but no smoking gun of ability to superuse.

ICM is obviously based on equally skilled players.

AKA, we have zero security.

If you're late regging with levels still to play before the bubble and you're only getting 2 or 3 big blinds... I would think the fact that you have such a small percentage of the chips in play would make your ICM prize equity well below your buyin cost in most models.

This really needs it's own thread.

Unless you are at a table with 5 buddies/bots who can stall and disconnect all the way until the money bursts nearly every time This also lets you combine stacks to get to above average afterwords.

Isn't bcmclawh a 2+2er?

NO it is advantageous to start at beginning bc you have a bigger stack (more BBs) at the beginning !
+ u have more small fishes around you
+ u have more time to play more hands to build a big stack