There was a 2p2 thread where both of them went off on each other disclosing some details in the process. Ofc that thread got deleted since 2p2 ran ads for at least one of these dude's training sites, and Mason and David ran a censored shithole of a forum with no regard for free speech. That's why you can't trust any old 2p2 threads and the 2p2 archives in general, everything has been tailored and censored to be aligned with the best interest of the old owners.

That's not how free speech works. Free speech is a protection from the government, not private property or businesses.

Also, this is a business.....not some place for anyone to just come talk about what they want.



Feel free to go start your own forum, don't monetize it, and let anyone do whatever they want. Sounds like a winning plan.

Perfectly stated. Too often we see people throw around terms like "free speech" or "first amendment" in areas/venues where those concepts do not apply at all.

Pokerfraudalert, you mean?

Not to derail but....

The first amendment is specific protection from the gov't but freedom of speech is a general natural right. Fairly important distinction. A private forum/platform can limit "free speech" by censoring posts and moderating content without violating the First Amendment.

And im not saying that thats wrong. If you have to limit the free speech of a troll so that the rest of the users can engage in positive conservation then that is clearly for the better.

I just get triggered when I see someone say that the First Amendment provides our right to free speech, because that assumes that government provides our rights. And if it does, then it can also take our rights away.

Derail over continue on...

Unless Doug has posted a YouTube video of himself singing Hallelujah that I don't know about, then these two are nothing unlike.

Except that I delegated the moderation to other people and David never had anything to do with the moderation.

Mason

People shared details it didn’t make either of them look good. Doug takes a LARGE percentage from content creators on upswing. Think jnandez shared the number he received from his courses and it was a way lower percentage than anyone would expect (25% IIRCC while Joey was making 25% just from referral links). Doug argued he did all this marketing for jnandez and he backed out of a contract (was supposed to make another course) and essentially took a business they were partnered in and cut out the partner by making his own training site with the content that was supposed to be used to fulfill the contract.

These are common business disputes and really shouldn’t be aired in public IMO. Anyone who has had a business partnership/knows people that have a had a business partnership understands that this always happens when the partnership ends and both stay in the field making them competitors.

LMAO HAHAH

I don't even know who to root for, they are all so unlikeable.

BREEEEAKING NEWWWS!...

ALL 3 are complete and total tools.

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Yeah DP has been just brilliant at convincing noobs to play him at HUNL as if HUNL isn't like any other game where the only people who are really good at it are the ones who've actually spent a lot of time playing it.

He's been smart about exploiting certain figures in poker who are more delusional than I would've anticipated.

yea it's actually impressive how he gets people who don't like him to play him HU for big money when they have no shot.

Dnegs would have had a much better chance in a SNG format

egos.

Doug being a scumbag? no wai

Guy was running VPN staking stables post black friday then accusing people of the same thing on his youtube + twitter for teh clickz lol

Yeah, it’s like Succession. All terrible people, but can’t stop watching.

As is tradition

And Yellowstone, Billions, and Mad Men, lol.

"Daddy Doug won't be happy tonight when he comes home"

lol

JNandez providing story/thread/receipts within 72 hours

*popcorn emoji*

In the poker book publishing business, as far as I know, we were the only publisher that paid royalties of over 25 percent, and our for years major competitor paid less than half that. So, without knowing Upswing’s business model 25 percent looks reasonably good to me.

Mason

Physical books have a lot of costs. Upswing courses have very little editing or production overhead. It’s almost criminal for them to charge 75% to be content marketers, but people agree to it, so the market dictates the rates I guess.

Is that true? Their affiliates are getting 25 percent, how many employees are on salary, do they have office rent and other office expenses, and didn’t they build a studio — what did that cost. But the most important thing is that their course authors signed up.

Mason

Exactly. 25% of a watermelon is a hell of a lot more than 100% of a grape.