Masq, and others, your out of your element donny.

The confirmed mortality rate in the US is greater than 1%. There are going to be over 400,000 Americans dead from COVID in its first 12 months. In November, it was the leading cause of death in the country, and this status continues today.

Go post on some conspiracy website if you want to peddle nonsense.

My favourite result from vaccine studies is that in trying to correct the public perception of vaccines, if you present people with data debunking common myths like "you can get the flu from the flu vaccine", people with initial low trust in vaccines became even less likely than before to get vaccinated. Doubling down on some other bs and becoming more spiteful presumably.

In the interest of public health then it might be best to let them fester amongst themselves. Learn from the big light bulb cabal which has been blasting everyone with high frequency EMF radiation perpetually for years, but they get away with it because whenever someone speaks out, they keep silent so as to not rouse suspicion.

What % die over the age of 60? 5-10%?

How many people recover but still have health issues?

Kat (basketball player) has lost 7 family members in 6 months to covid including his mom, think he thinks it’s some gotcha conspiracy?

based on that real v staged 'argument' its about 50/50.
so what's the point in that post?

You don't know my background but i'd say you're a sheep.

Fortunately we still apparently live in free societies and it's our prerogative to decide which drugs we voluntarily inject into our bodies.

I'll let others be the guinea pigs and make an informed decision further down the line when some long term data is available.

For the crazies - Apparently even charlie does not think the vaccine is dangerous

And your assessment of the long term health risks of a covid infection is informed?

Not saying I have a strong opinion on the vaccine, that particular argument just seems pretty flawed to me since there is still a lack of overview of the extent of long term damage following infection.

Seems like a pick your poison kind of affair rather than a situation where you can just opt out.

You can get the flu despite taking the flu vaccine. I know it very well because it happened to my grandmother when I was younger. Let's hope this vaccine is more effective, like the measles vaccine, instead of other flu vaccines.

Another interesting point: Portugal just passed 5000 deaths of covid19 in 10+ months. In the winter of 2014-2015 there were 5500 excess deaths, 76+17% of those attributed to flu and cold related diseases. But there wasn't all these draconian measures with lockdowns, shutting down businesses, etc. What will be the human and social cost of those measures? I'm sure we won't hear 1/10 of the propaganda of the harms they will cause compared to covid.

1) vaccine is apparently 95% effective. No flu vaccine is close to that and even ppl who still get corona (5%) symptoms are way less severe

2) in USA was 34k flu deaths last year with no social distancing or masks.
There is currently 300k deaths in 10 months with masks and social distancing with over 2k new deaths a day. So it’s not even close to the same thing

You think countries want to shut down businesses to make everyone homeless why?

You can get a flu vaccine and it is still possible to catch the flu from another source. It is also possible to confuse the symptoms associated with immune response a vaccine is meant to provoke with the flu.

With respect to covid governments needed to weigh economic + converted social/human costs under uncertainty of the threat vs. deaths to direct policy, and most seem to be walking some sort of compromise - though my perspective is Canadian. Economic estimates (taking into account future harms) I've seen seem to be within an order of magnitude of the $10,000,000 USD we typically value per human life in other policy decisions.

If there weren't any measures taken the number of covid deaths would for sure be much higher and certainly you wouldn't even compare the two.

Also do you know the number of people left with long-lasting complications?

You are spewing nonsense .... and yes, I personally know two people who came down with CoVid 19 .... and they do not know each other.

Tell you what, how about you go around without a mask, but get tested for the virus on a regular basis.

I would be glad for you to be a canary in this Covid coal mine, since you spew such denial garbage.

(Fwiw, Japan reportedly has had strict anti-virus requirements since the virus first emerged. Your attempted argument citing Japan fails on its own ignorance.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-h...-idUKKBN2770DF

https://www.dw.com/en/how-japans-mas...rus/a-55321518

"While citizens of other countries around the world struggling with the coronavirus pandemic have railed against face masks as unnecessary, ineffective or an infringement of their civil liberties, Japanese people have in virtual unison done as many experts have suggested and covered up.

Though wearing a mask may not be the only reason why Japan has a relatively low infection and death rate from the disease, epidemiologists say it is almost certainly a positive contributing factor.

The latest numbers from Japanese health authorities show 93,607 confirmed coronavirus cases and 1,676 fatalities in a nation of over 126 million people.

In comparison, the United States has reported 8.2 million cases and more than 220,000 deaths among its population of 328 million."

Your nonsense is unsupportable horsesh*t.

Objective viewpoint here - no bias either way and excuse me if I'm not 100% accurate with the math.

So America has 2.5x the population of Japan, but they have about 90x the amount of cases and 55x the amount of deaths because the Japanese wear facemasks?
Serious question because I haven't done my research (I don't know who to trust), but how according to your research is the virus transmitted? Because when this first came about I 'heard' that it was also was also transmitted by people touching the same objects, ie the supermarket checkout worker touching every single item that goes through the checkout or the couriers who collectively touch millions of parcels each day and delivers to nearly every household (and who btw take very little if any precautions against the virus - this I KNOW). But face masks have really made the difference cited in your quotes?

And to clarify, yes I did read this: "Though wearing a mask may not be the only reason why Japan has a relatively low infection and death rate from the disease, epidemiologists say it is almost certainly a positive contributing factor."

'Almost' certainly a 'positive contributing factor'. That almost says absolutely nothing.

And again I'll clarify that I have no bias, I'm starting from the viewpoint of "I don't know what's going on here, let's objectively find out"

This thread has become very boring.

Also:
Oh thank God, it's got Charlie's seal of approval everyone, spread the word

He has to be one of the most repulsively conceited individuals around, he's pretty good at playing cards and somehow seems to think that consequently we all look up to him as some sort of paragon of knowledge. I wonder why he thinks anyone gives two shits what his delusional opinion is on whether a vaccine is safe or not, the subject is several miles over his head and he has zero authority on it.

Too much Covid, too little anything else.