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11-30-2011 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by JW1979
Shaun,

I do sincerely apologize if you feel that I have been dishonest with you in anyway. I realize that nothing I can say is going to change how you feel, but I do promise you, whether you want to believe it or not, that I have not been dishonest, and I will have you reimbursed for the cost of those tickets. As I stated in my last post, i am at fault, because I should have never offered up a prize that we did not physically have, I should have only let the winners choose from the 7 concerts that were readily available at that time. After we did not receive the other 3 concert tickets from them we tried to get the situation fixed with Live Nation, but it took a long time. I am not trying to make enemies with you, and I am very sorry for the situation this has caused. I've stated it time after time, that we will fix this situation for you, and I understand that you feel you have to see it to believe it, but it will be corrected. If it can in any way help with the problem, I will even offer to let you play in a weekend event of your choosing for free in the future. I hope you understand that I want to resolve your situation and make you feel better about this organization and I hope that in the future it can lead to you posting good things about the events like many of the players that we currently have do.
This was all that was needed to be said in my honest opinion. Just show the guys that everything is legit, and no-one will ever have a problem, and I'm sure you'll get an apology or two.

I truly admire anyone who wishes to raise money for a good cause, especially a charity supporting the research of cancer. My advice is to go about it in a better way, and avoid being affiliated with worthless human beings like Chino. Those sorta guys really will kill your reputation.

Best wishes Jack.
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11-30-2011 , 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ov3rd0se
This was all that was needed to be said in my honest opinion. Just show the guys that everything is legit, and no-one will ever have a problem, and I'm sure you'll get an apology or two.

I truly admire anyone who wishes to raise money for a good cause, especially a charity supporting the research of cancer. My advice is to go about it in a better way, and avoid being affiliated with worthless human beings like Chino. Those sorta guys really will kill your reputation.

Best wishes Jack.
This.
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11-30-2011 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Binimo
Has anyone notified any of this organization's sponsors yet? I have a friend employed by one of them so I will link that person to this thread. GL OP, hope you get paid and glad you brought this to light, effectively warning people not to associate with this organization and its events in the future. OP I also have contacts in the media in the Raleigh/Durham area. PM me if you would like me to put you in touch with them.
eh txs for the support. I dont think i'll be contacting the news about this. If it is a poorly run organization meaning there is thievery involved then, it will come out on its own in a more spectacular fashion. I am actually happy for Jack that this might be his only problem. If that is the case then he can learn right now to tie up even the smallest of loose ends . I do not wish bad of his charity as my mother died of cancer in 06.

I do want to ask Jack this tho........

Why was a known raleigh scammer working that Durham tourney? First guy I see when I showed up was an older white/italian guy with new york accent He owes Big Dawg from his NL game. (not a small game) ........
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11-30-2011 , 10:45 PM
Just write the guy a personal cheque for a few hundred bucks and be done with it, don't see the big deal.
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11-30-2011 , 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by stanski
Seriously chill the **** out people and stop being judge and jury instantly, how many of you actually bothered to look up the charity before you respond to someone, the guy is trying to make things right he obviously made a mistake here but he clearly is not trying to scam someone over $100 or whatever it is. Stop jumping down his throat he's trying to defend his organization to prevent people from googling "ucare poker tournament" and having this thread pop up, not sure you realize how bad of publicity that is when it looks so far like a mistake was made but is being made right (and honestly the mistake was probably the fault of the ticketing company being scummy).

His father has ****ing cancer, this isn't some elaborate get rich scheme he's concocted, there are actually decent people in the world who make mistakes sometimes but let it play out before immediately ridiculing him for a stupid response on a forum.
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11-30-2011 , 11:43 PM
Thank you to the many of you that understand that this was just small mistake and that it will be fixed, and thank you Shaun for not wishing bad on the charity. I am sorry at how I may have come across to you and others earlier but it was just hard to listen to people tear down what this company has worked so hard for. This is currently our only problem and I will work hard to make sure that problems like these do not happen in the future.

Speaking about the guy that ran the event. He worked for All-In Management as their tournament director and they were hired by Chips for Charity to run the event for us. It was the first time I had ever met him myself. Since then, we have not used their organization, mainly because of the thousands in dollars that chips for charity spent on using them, which I thought was crazy. Since then we have done everything in house and do not use outside companies.

I do want to make this right and would love for this post to be changed, because I do believe in what we are doing as an organization and want it to succeed. It has grown larger and larger in the poker community and I thank each of the many players that we have for their support. I did not realize that GuideStar charges for information and so I will have my accountant send me the 1099's for the administrator for the future. I believe you should also be able to check them for free on the IRS website as well but will get these sent to you to prove that we are a legit organization and that we do pay out our prizes.

Shaun, my offer still stands of letting you play in a future event for free and I do promise to get your ticket reimbursement taken care of. I wish you a great holiday season and hope that this will be resolved and that we can move on and help those with cancer that need it.
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12-01-2011 , 12:04 AM
Edwin Kim swears this charity is legit.
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12-01-2011 , 12:30 AM
Wow, all you ****s in NVG really will tear someone apart and attempt to ruin a non-profit charity over speculation and wild ideas without waiting for facts to pop up. The replies here that are out of line are not by JW, they're by those of you telling JW how bad his posts are. YOu make 2+2 look like a joke by inviting someone to defend himself and then being unreasonable about his explanations.

The guy has answered every question and been transparent and detailed about the combination of circumstances that led to the mistake for which OP started this thread. In every post he took full responsibliity for it. And that wasn't enough for 90% of you. Start your ****ing witch-hunt when the signs actually point to something being amiss instead of a mistake. I have little respect for the tone of anyone in this thread, including a bunch of people who should know better.
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12-01-2011 , 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by JW1979
Shaun,

I do sincerely apologize if you feel that I have been dishonest with you in anyway. I realize that nothing I can say is going to change how you feel, but I do promise you, whether you want to believe it or not, that I have not been dishonest, and I will have you reimbursed for the cost of those tickets. As I stated in my last post, i am at fault, because I should have never offered up a prize that we did not physically have, I should have only let the winners choose from the 7 concerts that were readily available at that time. After we did not receive the other 3 concert tickets from them we tried to get the situation fixed with Live Nation, but it took a long time. I am not trying to make enemies with you, and I am very sorry for the situation this has caused. I've stated it time after time, that we will fix this situation for you, and I understand that you feel you have to see it to believe it, but it will be corrected. If it can in any way help with the problem, I will even offer to let you play in a weekend event of your choosing for free in the future. I hope you understand that I want to resolve your situation and make you feel better about this organization and I hope that in the future it can lead to you posting good things about the events like many of the players that we currently have do.
has haseeb quereshi been to the tournaments? It seems as if he might have had some input to the post quoted...

and as was mentioned by EVERYONE else, terrible responses itt by JW1979...I have never seen anyone take "full responsibility" while giving reason upon reason for why this was "out of their control"

with all thats been said...$120...you really couldnt just for the sake of shutting the OP up, just taken that 120 out of the 40k previously mentioned? and your first post almost made me sick considering my grandfather died of cancer, im talking about the line where you say that NOT ONLY YOU, BUT YOURE SURE CANCER PATIENTS ARE DISAPPOINTED WITH OP! DONT TRY AND USE PEOPLE IN UNFORTUNATE SITUATIONS TO YOUR BENEFIT! YOU ARE REALLY SEEMING LIKE A POS JW1979!

SORRY FOR THE CAPS EVERYONE...but the more i read this thread (and i havent even finished) the more sick JW makes me!
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12-01-2011 , 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by DRybes
Wow, all you ****s in NVG really will tear someone apart and attempt to ruin a non-profit charity over speculation and wild ideas without waiting for facts to pop up. The replies here that are out of line are not by JW, they're by those of you telling JW how bad his posts are. YOu make 2+2 look like a joke by inviting someone to defend himself and then being unreasonable about his explanations.

The guy has answered every question and been transparent and detailed about the combination of circumstances that led to the mistake for which OP started this thread. In every post he took full responsibliity for it. And that wasn't enough for 90% of you. Start your ****ing witch-hunt when the signs actually point to something being amiss instead of a mistake. I have little respect for the tone of anyone in this thread, including a bunch of people who should know better.
how is your second post even close to accurate? he hasnt until 2 posts ago taken PERSONAL responsibility, he says he is while passing the buck in terms of why not tickets!

I wasnt gonna post anything in this thread at all, then the more and more i read...i just realised JW is in total defense mode and using the cancer charity as his crutch! ANY professional would have made the post i quoted before their first and only post...if it even got to that point!

why is this thread here right now? why couldnt JW use his due diligence to fix this before a 2+2 thread was created? how could JW say that he doesnt care what is said about him? if you are the head of a charity it better be important to you that people trust you...do you think charities get celebrities to sponsor their organizations for shi and giggles? NO, its for the recognition and trust (in a sense) that the public has for that celebrity (i.e. george clooney is def a better charity spokesman than bernie madoff--extreme example I know, but you get what I mean)


and to the defenders of JW...we dont have a problem with the charity, people with cancer or much else...the problem lies in the way that JW has gone about this matter, he started with painting himself as the victim while trying to vilify OP...then after the backlash he went into the "my bad, its my fault and i truly apologize shaun" mode...now we are here!

also, SKLANSKY is being as neutral an arbiter/observer as possible IMO...and he has researched JW's charity, and things just arent adding up in many ways! WTF, im tilted imma go read and then go to sleep!
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12-01-2011 , 01:45 AM
Jw1979..... You have absolutley no right to mention cancer patients or those diagnosed with cancer the way you do in this thread. The way you dpeak its either you feel like they owe you something, you are doing them a HUGE favor, or you are just a giant duesch. I am going to devote quite a bit of my free time over the next few weeks to go through every piece of info you and your BOGUS charity make public. You are a disgrace. You can not mention people with cancer the way you do, and actually care about helping them. I could care less about op and his tickets but thank god you screwed that one up!!! Now we all know and soon all will know who runs this "charity"

I hope your books are in order sir.... Bc im coming
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12-01-2011 , 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by DRybes
Wow, all you ****s in NVG really will tear someone apart and attempt to ruin a non-profit charity over speculation and wild ideas without waiting for facts to pop up. The replies here that are out of line are not by JW, they're by those of you telling JW how bad his posts are. YOu make 2+2 look like a joke by inviting someone to defend himself and then being unreasonable about his explanations.

The guy has answered every question and been transparent and detailed about the combination of circumstances that led to the mistake for which OP started this thread. In every post he took full responsibliity for it. And that wasn't enough for 90% of you. Start your ****ing witch-hunt when the signs actually point to something being amiss instead of a mistake. I have little respect for the tone of anyone in this thread, including a bunch of people who should know better.
so much this.
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12-01-2011 , 02:01 AM
Search ucare in google and this thread comes up. Wow jw i bet you wish you chose your words a bit more carefully
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12-01-2011 , 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by parxface
Jw1979..... You have absolutley no right to mention cancer patients or those diagnosed with cancer the way you do in this thread. The way you dpeak its either you feel like they owe you something, you are doing them a HUGE favor, or you are just a giant duesch. I am going to devote quite a bit of my free time over the next few weeks to go through every piece of info you and your BOGUS charity make public. You are a disgrace. You can not mention people with cancer the way you do, and actually care about helping them. I could care less about op and his tickets but thank god you screwed that one up!!! Now we all know and soon all will know who runs this "charity"

I hope your books are in order sir.... Bc im coming
go overboard much?
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12-01-2011 , 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ludacris
go overboard much?
I dont think so. I never post in nvg but felt compelled. Ive lost someone to cancer and have a family member dealing with it now. And for this guy to speak about them the way he does is wrong. You may not agrre with me but that is how i see it
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12-01-2011 , 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by needsumthin
also, SKLANSKY is being as neutral an arbiter/observer as possible IMO...and he has researched JW's charity, and things just arent adding up in many ways! WTF, im tilted imma go read and then go to sleep!
ftr I am not of the Sklansky clan.
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12-01-2011 , 02:49 AM
Did the rep from the charity explain why he took "only" $10000 in l0ppp0. ,b
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12-01-2011 , 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by DRybes
Wow, all you ****s in NVG really will tear someone apart and attempt to ruin a non-profit charity over speculation and wild ideas without waiting for facts to pop up. The replies here that are out of line are not by JW, they're by those of you telling JW how bad his posts are. YOu make 2+2 look like a joke by inviting someone to defend himself and then being unreasonable about his explanations.
The responses he got are entirely a function of his attitude.

The OP hasn't been given his prize after 6 months and with clearly poor communication throughout. This is obviously unacceptable by anyone's standards, but instead of owning up to it immediately and humbly, we've had:

- "It wasn't our fault"
- JW attacking OP for even bringing this to the community
- Defensive tone

etc etc etc... That's ****ty customer service and hopefully he can learn to communicate more effectively if he's looking for people to sympathise with this charity.
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12-01-2011 , 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by doublejoker
Did the rep from the charity explain why he took "only" $10000
Not yet. It's pretty standard for a charity to have a salaried director if that is their full-time job. This is usually the case if they are an experienced organizer/fund raiser with a good track record and hired by the charity. There are college level courses in running charitable organizations.

In this case the founder seems to be on the payroll and may or may not be a schooled fundraiser/organizer. I don't know. That may leave a bad taste. Holding out judgement till we see the current annual reports and IRS returns. Hoping for the best.
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12-01-2011 , 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by JW1979
to post something like this and to try to hurt an organization that has done so much, because of a small prize that you haven't received, when I have responded to each and every email you have ever sent me, is upsetting to not only myself, but I am sure, those with cancer, to say the least.
This makes you sound awful.
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12-01-2011 , 03:35 AM
This just seem's like poor customer service from the charity, really don't get the level of abuse being given.
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12-01-2011 , 03:39 AM
JW should respond to professionalpoker's reasonable requests imo
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12-01-2011 , 03:50 AM
Seiously, if you really wanna get to the bottom line here....this is all typical garbage from someone getting called out for doing wrong. The guy didn't pay up (when he easily could have) and now its blown up. We are poker players! Period! If we pay to play and you don't pay when we win you are wrong. If its one dollar or a million makes zero differance. Honesty means more around here than you could possibly imagine and quite frankly you don't seem very honest. You didn't pay now there are issues beyond all that. Produce the financial records
And to Drybes, I love all of your stuff but reread the ENTIRE thread and if you are any kind of poker player you will see this isn't about a charity at all but about an ahole that has no business running poker tournies labelled cancer.


Tell us more about the 10k you have made Jack...everyone is dying to know.

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12-01-2011 , 03:55 AM
So far I have searched google and a few major charity reporting sites, including the ones provided by JW and have not found any IRS filings.

http://nccsdataweb.urban.org/orgs/pr...pup=1#overview
http://foundationcenter.org/findfunders/990finder/ - search finds nothing.
http://www.grantsmart.com/ - search finds nothing.
http://www2.guidestar.org/organizati...-everyone.aspx
Free registration required to see anything. They have the 2009 annual report. They want money to see 2010 reports but, it does not appear that they have IRS filings. Based on the TOS of the above site I am hesitant to post anything I found through them, but you are free to look yourself.

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12-01-2011 , 03:59 AM
[QUOTE=Professionalpoker;30128770]So far I have searched google and a few major charity reporting sites, including the ones provided by JW and have not found any IRS filings.

Wow, wish you would have just given him the tickets now Im sure. Its real now.IRS is trouble.
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