Only posting the relevant emails from Dec. 3rd....


#1 -

Thank you for your concern Matt however I am well aware of the situation and am
doing all I can to discover the absolute truth myself! I do not now, and never have
had, any financial relationship whatsoever with either Jack Walls or UCARE. I became
a sponsor to support what I believed to be a great guy and a great cause as my wifes
mother passed away from cancer and my own mother is a breast cancer survivor
herself. If I discover that UCARE is anything other than completely legit rest
assured I will immediately dissassociate myself and my company from the organization
in every way! I will have also learned a valuable lesson and will do more of my own
research before alligning my company with any other charities in the future. I am
still reserving final judgment as of now and hopefully that is not the case. I will
be posting a blog in the latest news section on our website with my findings as well
as my final opinion of UCARE in the next couple days if you have any interest in
what I
come up with.

Sincerely,

Jeff Griffith / Owner




Email #2 -


I see that you posted my email (which I have no problem with btw) and I appreciate
the way you presented it but I thought I would write again hoping you will post
this. I have just received Jack's 990 filings 5 min ago. This is what I was waiting
for before posting in this thread myself. I am still away from my computer but
should be home by about 7:30 est and will sign up for an account and post in here to
tell everything I know, dispell a lot of the nonsense speculation that I know to be
false, and to post Jack's 990's. Hopefully at the very least it will remove my name
from any further wildly false allegations.



Email #3 -

(990's submitted)


Email #4 -

Thx bro! Appreciate that! Ive done all I'm gonna do now. Just hope It fizzles and
there's no reprecussions for Bustout. The only thing I know 100% for sure is if
anything sketchy is going on w UCARE we have no knowledge of it and nothing to do
with it! Thx for ur help with this as well!




Email #5 -

Going to bed. Thought Id check the thread one last time. Did that Epic Scam Time guy
who just joined actually just post "proof" from a FB post that Jack and I are
friends as if he was proving a point I made very clear in my earlier posts? WOW!!!!!


Have a good rest of the weekend Matt! Thx again for your help w all this mess! :-)


I'm sure looking back Jeff, that this post referring to 2+2 you made on Jack's wall might be a tad bit embarrassing today

Absolutely. I always try to keep all the information out in the open (which is how I made my 17,000th post today ), especially now that things are coming into greater clarity.

Moronic troll post.

OMFG has been doing a terrific job, and working hard to try to get Walls stopped.
What have you done, besides dumping on a twoplustwo poster doing an excellent (and exhausting) job?

Down Memory Lane:


Jeff Griffith - 12-3 - "I'm going to keep this one much shorter. Hope it answers many of your questions and dissmisses many of the wild accusations and speculations here in this thread!

... I also started to become good friends with Jack as I viewed him to be compassionate and someone of extreme character!"


Jeff Griffith - 12-3 - "At the end of the day....a good friend of mine that I consider to be a compassionate man of character trying to do something to help people with cancer was being attacked! As it drug on...it just got worse and worse and more ridiculous speculations and accusations stacking on top of one another. I decided for the sake of my reputation and my company's reputation that I would get all the answers I could (something I admittedly should've done in the beginning.) Jack seemed to be compying with every request and I will give him the benefit of the doubt that his accountant really was slack getting him the 990's. I decided not to post until I had those at least! I realize that many of you will just dismiss them as fake and will maybe even call my posts lies but not much I can do about that. I choose to believe them to be real based on my own dealings with Jack, his employees and volunteers, and my assessment of his character."


I'm not going to search for Jennicide's post #'s in this thread, but if anyone knows them please list them.
It took her a day or 2 to accurately size him up.

It took some twoplustwo posters about that long as well - read the first few pages of this thread.

It took Jeff Griffith three months.

+1 first thing that crossed my mind...

Thanks for the support guys.

To be honest I'm a bit embarrassed I got my own hopes up and then possibly everyone's here based on the momentum of my conversations with the media. It really did seem like a 99% sure thing. I found out what happened there, but don't want to embarrass any particular reporters. That would be too ironic, and my head would explode.

Does anyone know the extent of the relationship between Hogwild Poker (now a PPA affiliate) and UCARE?

HogWild Poker is not a PPA affiliate. They are simply donating free play to dues paying PPA members.

I checked with HogWild Poker on this issue a couple of days ago. They say UCARE hasn't been on their site to play in months. Also, FWIW, they have no affiliation with UCARE at all (not that such a thing has ever been suggested, of course). Groups can set up their own leagues on the site. So, it seems the pictures are just old.

They actually work with Poker Gives, a charity headed up by Mike Sexton and PPA's own Linda Johnson.

I can definitely understand your point here. Let me just say that this is just an example of me not choosing the best possible words to get my point across. When I said "confirm" I merely meant that it was confirmation to me! That combined with all the other information I had, it was enough for me to believe it to be true. In my opinion, being able to "prove" something carries a higher burden and I do not have the absolute solid evidence to meet that burden to feel comfortable spreading the information around in this forum or anywhere else. Sorry for not being more clear on this point originally.

Looking back on this post, I have to say that, again, I probably chose my words poorly. It was definitely not a lie! I believe that a lie implies intent to deceive. I truly thought I was defending what I believed at the time to be a true story. But to be fully transparent, the story was told to me in front of Jack by one of his employees at the first event I participated in. So I took it to be true (although in retrospect it is possible it was made up then as well) so when Jack basically told the exact same story in this thread posing as the father, I once again drew the conclusion that the story was true but openly acknowleged that Jack's shill account delivery method was dispicable!

So bottom line....I do not have solid proof that the story is factual so I should never have said what I said.

I have no problem answering honest questions from people trying to get to the truth in this whole mess. I am grateful to most of you who helped uncover this as a fraud in the first place. You may have even saved me and my company from getting hurt even worse in the long run if I stayed associated with UCARE.

But to those who continue to pop in here to just continue your personal attacks of me or Bustout, I will not respond. You are clearly not trying to get to the truth and stop a fraudulent cancer charity but rather just want to continue to trash me, my character, or my company. This is simply a futile waste of time. To you, Why don't you to write to me privately and we can set up a meeting in person. I'll even buy you a beer. If you can come away from that meeting with me and not like and respect me than so be it. But you will find yourself in very small company I assure you! Most, if not everyone you could talk to that plays or works in the poker community will speak highly of me as a person, my character, and my integrity. If for some reason you get some type of satisfaction by sitting behind your computer and annonymously attack someone you have never met and know nothing about, than I'm sure you will continue with your pointless attacks and will never consider my offer to meet for a beer.

To the rest of you in this forum who's intent has always been to weed out bad apples in the poker charity world, thank you for your support and understanding of how I, like many other great people, was initially fooled by Jack and why I came to his defense in the beginning. And again, thank you for helping me to see what was really going on. I'm human, I made a character judgement initially that turned out to be a mistake and I have learned from it. If there is anything else of value I can add to this thread I certainly will.

Jeff,
From your posting history here I'd say we have had a pretty good chance to get to know you.


You immaturely insulted and bashed many posters in their quest to find the truth while you defended your friend, instead of ignoring the crap posts, laying out facts, and looking more closely at him. You carried his trash to the forum instead of telling him to get on here and speak for himself.

Now you come back to 2+2 only after making a pitch to the PPA. This timing makes your return look 100% self-serving.

I am sure we are happy that you are finally coming on here and stating the obvious, which is something you should have done long before your PPA pitch. I am hopeful that you have learned from your mistakes and your choose your associations and words more carefully in the future.

I suggest that if you really want to redeem yourself from this association, that you now do more to take Jack down, instead of walking away from it. Otherwise this is only doing what is perceived as an attempt to cover your own ass. No response expected, just show us by your actions what kind of man you are.

thread just keeps giving

Maybe we could get Jack Walls to organize a charity tournament if that happens.

It's clear that Jeff made at least one mistake in this thread which he is now willing to admit/repair, but imo people should think about what it is they hope to accomplish by continuing to focus their efforts on him. I base this entirely on the momentum here, folks. I bet Jack has never been so happy to see Jeff post in this thread.




10% does sound helpful! lol

Jeff owned up to a mistake, not many of us do the same. Like OMFG said, focusing efforts on bashing him because of his initial backing of UCARE is at this point a waste of time and energy if anyone is looking to get anything accomplished. I get that people are bothered by the initial backing but continuing to hold on to that after he changed his stance really serves no one. Sometimes we can be loyal to a fault and get burned by it, but if we can see the error of our ways as Jeff did, than only good things can come of it. Understood you may disagree with past posts but continuing on about it is really not helping matters.

The focus should really be on solutions and not attacking one another when on the same side.

anytime i open up 2+2 and see a charity thread it is always a scam. sad people.

Jeff,

Is it a coincidence that you filed a "T-Shirt Company" for LLC within days of this thread starting?

Is it a coincidence that you did not read the thread you are posting in?

I filed for the Bustout Poker, LLC in August 20, 2009 with the Secretary Of State in the state of South Carolina. My company officially launched on April 2, 2010. I was unaware of another LLC filing I made "within days of this thread starting" back in late November 2011. Maybe you would like to enlighten us all what it is you are refering to? Other options could include an apology for insinuating a co-conspiracy based on false information, or just go away and stop making up stuff in your silly effort to try to continue on your Jeff witch hunt.

In the spirit of full disclosure for those who wish to fact check my last post. James Hancock is my best friend and 50% business partner in Bustout Poker, LLC.

Why did I stop railing this monster?

Jeff,

Why is it that you were happy to come here originally and spout off lots of unverified crap in defense of Jack that you heard informally in conversations, but when it comes to sharing what you know now to help us take him down you're shutting up shop?

I agree with others here that there is an unfair/unconstructive focus on you here, but not as much as you'd claim, and you're certainly not making it easy on yourself. Your apologies and explanations are both warranted and appreciated, but you have more info here that could help us. You call him a "lying POS" and yet you're still protecting him for some reason?

Jeff mentioned earlier that the things he found out, while not confirmed 100%, felt it was enough for him to change his stance. So at this point what does writing about unconfirmed things going to accomplish? Think about it for a second, he was bashed for providing misleading things given to him by Jack and where did it get him or this thread? So what's the point of doing basically the same thing? If he feels that all that has been said here and all that he has heard since are enough to make him change his stance, even if not factually confirmed, than cool. At some point if there is enough evidence, even if not confirmed, to point to something than it can make someone change their view. In the beginning if your friend is telling you one thing and a bunch of people are telling you differently without exact knowledge who would you believe first? Just like the bar fight analogy, if you see you're friend getting jumped in the bar are you going to run over and help him or just say say eh maybe he's at fault so I'll let him fend for his own. If you find out he was to blame afterwards that's when you say f*ck you for letting me get my ass kicked too for the wrong reasons.

It's a bit silly that we've let this thread get derailed like this and lose sight of what the thread really is. He made a mistake and owned up to it. What's also off is that posts like the one above that even say to delete it are left up while other posts that had friendly banter between Jeff and other posters were deleted. What's the point of posts like the one above when other non-applicable posts are deleted. Moderate objectively.

I'm sure we're all enjoying the fact that the thread has some life again but it's taking a wrong turn. I wouldn't agree with Yaksha's view that Jeff is protecting Jack, he's just not going to post unconfirmed reports that may or may not be factual. And if he feels whatever it is he heard or whatever is enough on top of all that is in here to make him be anti-UCARE than good. Not to mention, if he were to say whatever things made him change his stance everyone then will be asking where he got whatever info it is and if people wanna stay out of it than he wouldn't be able to answer I would assume and then people would have a problem with that. Some people are failing to see that at this point everyone posting in here is on the same page, and at this point if it took some people longer to get on that page than so be it. Going forward...

Back to business.

Why is everyone nitpicking each lie?

Worry about something that matters.