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Old 01-10-2009, 11:54 PM   #101
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Basically what I think is going on is people that are scrambling around trying to change jobs to do something that makes them feel fulfilled/happy or are either wrapped up in the views society programs into your minds to do something great with your lives.

I really just think most of the people that talk about changing jobs wanting to have an impact on the world and meaning in their jobs and all that to be content/happy... are just the same as people who have dreams of someday attaining financial freedom, with the hopes it'll make them happy. They are just hopping around from one thing to the next hoping it'll make them feel more content with life.

The poker players who have the money that people who have 9-5's wish they could have... have only just now realized the money didnt do it for them and are going to jump on the next plan... and the root of the problem imo is just that people have no idea what they want out of life... and just go from one thing to the next realizing they still aren't happy. I think this is evident in examples of the likes of Strassa/FWF who are trying to do something more meaningful with their life than poker like day trading or being a lawyer. People who have worked those fields have already came forward and explained the ridiculousness of it.

I mean how many of these people if they could do it all over woulda just not gotten into poker and given up the financial freedom? Not many. I mean, if you want to do so much good... you could donate money to charities and volunteer your time as well... how many have done that? Probably not many.

For me, it's not very complicated. What makes me happy is a lifestyle that consists of freedom to travel, spend time with friends/family, see the world, being healthy, do various things I want, etc... and because poker offers more for that than other jobs, that is what I feel happy/content doing. I do not plan on playing forever but I'm certainly not scrambling around looking for deep meaning in life in places where it's not to be found only to end up feeling confused/unhappy in the end. I mean, how much fulfillment is really to be gained from something like daytrading? Let's get serious. I do agree that there's some people who will be fulfilled with more meaningful jobs like being a teacher or something, but just think most people are just lost in terms of what they want out of life and where to find it.
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Old 01-10-2009, 11:57 PM   #102
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I have also considered quitting poker recently and this is months after planning on quitting my job to play poker full time.

I had a job right out of college and got depressed so i made a decision to try and make it with poker and i worked up from the 2 dollar sit n gos to the 200s. My motivation was not working at my job that i don't like. I also had a few people on here talk **** about my game and that helped too.

Right around the time i wanted to quit (this fall) i end up having a job interview with another company and don't get the job. 2 months later they call back, I go to the interview (even tho i don't want to) and land the job. Then 2 months later i get promoted and $5 more an hour. So now im making 20K more a year in months and i've gone from wanting to quit my job to thinking about quitting poker.

I've decided to play poker only with free time and never play when my girlfriend is around and only do it when im by myself. I've neglected a lot of friends for this game and i'll i've gotten out of it is money that i haven't even spent yet.

I can't ignore the great feeling of working a full time job and having that mindset where you can get fired and play poker and be fine. I don't need my job and nobody there knows it but me. They also don't know that i make more money from poker+work than they do as my manager (i think). And i like that.

So i suggest anyone considering quitting just tone it down a lot and get a real job and play partime. it's depressing at first but it's worth a shot.
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Old 01-11-2009, 12:02 AM   #103
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Re: Changing paths: Experiences about leaving poker

This thread is one of the best threads I've read in NVG. Some insightful stuff in here.

I played mid-stakes (400NL-1000NL) while I was in college. As the years went by, I kind of became bored with poker. Instead of finding myself excited to play, I forced myself too. I spent more time thinking about playing poker than actually doing so. I graduated this past December. Got a job trading currencies which I just started.

I'm taking a decent-sized paycut, I have pretty brutal hours (have to take 5am train to city), but I love it so far. One of the main things I like about it, as Strassa posted in his Options thread (check it out if you haven't), is that your much more in tune to the world than if you played poker. Instead of always looking at ESPN.com and 2P2 all the time, I find myself more interested in CNN, Financial Times and WSJ.

One downside is of course the free time. I can't travel like I would have liked to. At the same time, if I still played poker, I feel that most of my other friends are either busy cause of their job, or broke cause they don't have one.

I'm glad I transitioned out of poker at the right time, cause it looks like it's awfully tough to get out of if you wait too long.
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Old 01-11-2009, 12:03 AM   #104
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With all this volatility, great time to be in fx trading. Enjoy the ride while it lasts!
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Old 01-11-2009, 12:18 AM   #105
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Basically what I think is going on is people that are scrambling around trying to change jobs to do something that makes them feel fulfilled/happy or are either wrapped up in the views society programs into your minds to do something great with your lives.

I really just think most of the people that talk about changing jobs wanting to have an impact on the world and meaning in their jobs and all that to be content/happy... are just the same as people who have dreams of someday attaining financial freedom, with the hopes it'll make them happy. They are just hopping around from one thing to the next hoping it'll make them feel more content with life.

The poker players who have the money that people who have 9-5's wish they could have... have only just now realized the money didnt do it for them and are going to jump on the next plan... and the root of the problem imo is just that people have no idea what they want out of life... and just go from one thing to the next realizing they still aren't happy. I think this is evident in examples of the likes of Strassa/FWF who are trying to do something more meaningful with their life than poker like day trading or being a lawyer. People who have worked those fields have already came forward and explained the ridiculousness of it.

I mean how many of these people if they could do it all over woulda just not gotten into poker and given up the financial freedom? Not many. I mean, if you want to do so much good... you could donate money to charities and volunteer your time as well... how many have done that? Probably not many.

For me, it's not very complicated. What makes me happy is a lifestyle that consists of freedom to travel, spend time with friends/family, see the world, being healthy, do various things I want, etc... and because poker offers more for that than other jobs, that is what I feel happy/content doing. I do not plan on playing forever but I'm certainly not scrambling around looking for deep meaning in life in places where it's not to be found only to end up feeling confused/unhappy in the end. I mean, how much fulfillment is really to be gained from something like daytrading? Let's get serious. I do agree that there's some people who will be fulfilled with more meaningful jobs like being a teacher or something, but just think most people are just lost in terms of what they want out of life and where to find it.
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Old 01-11-2009, 12:19 AM   #106
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One of the main things I like about it, as Strassa posted in his Options thread (check it out if you haven't), is that your much more in tune to the world than if you played poker. Instead of always looking at ESPN.com and 2P2 all the time, I find myself more interested in CNN, Financial Times and WSJ.
[ ] Being in tuned with the world....

...but that's a whole other story.
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Old 01-11-2009, 12:40 AM   #107
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If we would live in a universe where life were such a static entity as he seems to think in his post, sure.

I mean, we can take the discussion of this philosophy to SMP if you guys want. I agree with most of B4meN points given some other context.

I don't agree when people implies that you should aim to get to a point in life and once there you're done, that's it, any attempt to "change" or go to some other point looking for "deep meaning" (whatever that means) is silly or nonsense.

Yeah, some people scramble around because they are lost, but some people genuinely aim to change because they can't conform to their present situation, and some people wants to change because that's their nature and they find happiness on their changing nature the same way you found happiness on your simple life and there's nothing wrong about it.
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Old 01-11-2009, 01:10 AM   #108
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when u've been playing as many years as i have (18--since i was 21) and have never done anything else ur whole life--except for 1 3 month job in 1991--its TOO LATE to get outta poker.

and the sad thing ive never had nothing to show for any of it. never had my roll up higher than 10,000. was even homeless and recovered a small roll panhandling a few times, although it was many years ago. and yet, had i not always wasted my poker winnings on BJ, VP machines, and giving it away to women,--id probably have about $25,000-100,000 in the bank today. i feel like i wasted my whole life, and now i feel OLD (turn 40 in febuary). once u get into poker its hard to ever get out. no one would ever hire anyone whose just played cards their whole life.

but since im now playing mostly $1-2 NL --instead of the $1-5 stud i played most of the 1990's--and its so much easiest to beat, i still have hope for the future. i certainly play a lot better than i did 10 yrs ago. only thing is everyone else does too now. but at least its a lot easier to clear $10-20 an hour in $1-2 NL than it was in $1-5 stud. i know i can easily be successful at poker as long as i dont go near any more machines.

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Old 01-11-2009, 01:43 AM   #109
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Old 01-11-2009, 02:50 AM   #110
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Sirio, sounds like I'm in a pretty similar situation to you, although nowhere near as much poker earnings as you made. But I was a teacher before playing poker (taught English abroad), and really enjoyed that before discovering poker. However, I was only a part-time player as I decided to get a PhD.

Anyway, I started a 'real job' in late October (as an engineer). So my experiences so far are still in the newbie stage so may have rose-tinted glasses. I really like it so far, as I definitely find it more fulfilling than poker. One of the things I like is using my intellect for a higher cause, not just for my own financial benefit. I have no idea if that will be your source of fulfillment, but it has definitely worked for me.

The biggest difference is being surrounded by 'adults' when you go to work. My co-workers all have kids and talk about their family and fixing up their house and things like that. These were not the types of things I talked to poker friends about (or in grad school, truthfully). It really does feel like a very different culture, and that can be a bit of a shock. Not sure if that will apply to you, but definitely been an adjustment for me.

Adapting to a schedule isn't too difficult. If your job is highly-skilled (and sounds like it will be if it requires a PhD or is in academia) you have a lot of flexibility in your schedule. Yes, you'll have to get up in the morning to attend certain meetings, but generally if you get the work done nobody cares when you work exactly. If you prefer working at 11 until 7 or something, that should be fine.

I should note I didn't take my job for money. I have no idea how much you earned from poker, but my guess is you will take a pay cut in a real job. If you want to earn as much or more than in poker, you have to do things like investment banking or finance. Those people work insane hours (80 hours/week), have a stressful job, and in my experience were not particularly happy (there are exceptions, obviously).

My advice, for what its worth, is decide what you enjoy doing and try to find a job that lets you do that. If you enjoy math and teaching, there is a shortage of qualified math teachers in the States so you could easily do that. There are numerous consulting firms that need good mathematicians, so you may find those jobs rewarding.

Anyway, this is probably too long and not all that useful, but oh well.
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Old 01-11-2009, 02:55 AM   #111
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johnny humungous and ashesofheroes, explain how i know u and from where--since u know my name. in real life from the past, or just on here?
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Old 01-11-2009, 03:09 AM   #112
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johnny humungous and ashesofheroes, explain how i know u and from where--since u know my name. in real life from the past, or just on here?
we've never met, i'm just aware of your legend

i'm not a hater, i'm a fan of yours

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Old 01-11-2009, 04:36 PM   #113
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If we would live in a universe where life were such a static entity as he seems to think in his post, sure.

I mean, we can take the discussion of this philosophy to SMP if you guys want. I agree with most of B4meN points given some other context.

I don't agree when people implies that you should aim to get to a point in life and once there you're done, that's it, any attempt to "change" or go to some other point looking for "deep meaning" (whatever that means) is silly or nonsense.

Yeah, some people scramble around because they are lost, but some people genuinely aim to change because they can't conform to their present situation, and some people wants to change because that's their nature and they find happiness on their changing nature the same way you found happiness on your simple life and there's nothing wrong about it.
Yeah, I mean, I'm not implying that life is static at all, I understand that what makes you happy at one point in time may change later on down the line. But as far as poker goes, I'm sure you would agree that A LOT of people get into poker thinking the money is going to make them happy, and that's why there's all these posts about people still feeling unfulfilled.

I guess I'm just saying that the main problem was that people falsely assumed that money was going to be the answer and what they wanted out of life. I just think if people understood better what exactly it was they wanted it would save them a lot of time and jumping around from one thing to the next.

There's a lot of people out there right now that are 100% convinced in their minds that if they had whatever money/lifestyle sirio currently has, or raptor/strassa/fwf, whoever... that they'd be happy and have it made. There's people out there that falsely think if they could just get their hands on $10k they'd be much happier. I think it's a much better approach to first figure out what makes you happy at the time and what you want to do and then go with that. My parents used to try to push me to be something like a doctor because they make good money and are well respected but I said to hell with that, I felt pretty sure I wouldn't be happy with that lifestyle so I said no. I wouldn't even want to be a rich CEO making 10m a year unless I could retire and just quit after a year or so. Just for the sake of making a point, if I was a CEO that was paid 10m a year but forced to work 60hr weeks I wouldn't want to do that and would rather do something that produces a better lifestyle that I enjoy.
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Old 01-11-2009, 04:41 PM   #114
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I agree completely.
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Old 01-11-2009, 06:00 PM   #115
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I have been on both side of the fence. Playing poker for a while to supplement my income (never really main source).

If you are smart enough to make money at poker, you are smart enough to make more money at a job than poker.

People forget the benefits of a job (well, things may have changed) - 401k, medical, vacation, etc to factor in.

I don't think most jobs are the noble. We basically all do it to pay the bills.
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Old 01-11-2009, 10:18 PM   #116
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The only reason I've continued to play poker was because I never found anything I was particularly passionate about.

I finally found something else after searching for 5 years, 2 of which have come after I finished grad school. I'd never thought I would find something I would actually be interested in besides poker but it finally happened. The freedom poker gave me was unreal and extraordinary, but the mental grind I endured has been absurd and extremely harmful at the same time. I have virtually stopped playing the last 6 months and have never felt better.

I remember thinking how useless I thought reading was when I first started playing. Now all I do is read.
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Old 01-12-2009, 02:08 AM   #117
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i disagree with the "if you can make money playing poker, you can make more money in something else." i am 99% sure that there is nothing else i could make more money in. and that's not even just because my resume would suck at this point (since ive been a pro for 8 years). obviously it's true in some cases, but it's way off in a whole lot of others.
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Old 01-12-2009, 02:23 AM   #118
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for the first time in like 5 years i have started to hate poker. i always liked playing before but now i just get too pissed off and feel cheated and jilted even when i win. i shoulda won more.

i still like the freedom too much to find a job. 40+hrs doing dumb sht would be way worse.
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Old 01-12-2009, 03:53 AM   #119
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for the first time in like 5 years i have started to hate poker. i always liked playing before but now i just get too pissed off and feel cheated and jilted even when i win. i shoulda won more.

i still like the freedom too much to find a job. 40+hrs doing dumb sht would be way worse.

I felt this way a bunch last year. I barely played the last 5 months of 2008. I decided only to play when I absolutely felt like it. I often went weeks without playing. Now all of a sudden I feel passionate about poker again, I'm much more interested and having a lot more fun. If you have the liberty to take time away from the grind, then I suggest you consider it. A 2-week break cold turkey, for example, always brings back the love of the game for me, at least for a little while. Use the time to go for a short holiday, preferably somewhere warm.

I think the main benefit of playing poker is the freedom it allows, and I think it's a shame if we don't take advantage of it.
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Old 01-12-2009, 11:24 AM   #120
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Wow, actually an interesting thread in NVG. What is 2+2 coming to?


I found myself in a similar situation about a year and a half ago, except I was never a full time poker player.

IMO, poker has nothing to do with this situation really. There just comes a time somewhere in your late 20's or early 30's when you stop and think, "I am probably going to be doing this for the next 40 years." Either that's a thought you can live with or it isn't. If it's not then you start thinking about what else you might want to do and you make a change.

For me, I was an IT guy in the financial industry. I didn't mind being an IT guy but the thought that I was working to "increase shareholder return" didn't exactly give me a great feeling.

I made a move and now I'm an IT manager guy working in Higher Ed. Still doing similar work but now I can say that what I'm doing is helping to support education and research. For me that makes my work more meaningful and more fulfilling.

Everyone has to find their own fulfillment and reason for doing what they are doing. For some people making money is enough but for most people it probably isn't and they need a greater purpose to survive the 8-5 grind.
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Old 01-12-2009, 01:04 PM   #121
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This is one of the best threads I've ever read in NVG.

I can't believe how many 2+2ers have actually quit playing poker, but I guess it's not surprising to get burned out if you are a full time player. As for myself, I'll never quit playing because I love the game, the strategy, and the process of continually trying to improve. On the other hand, I don't play full time, which means I only play when I want to play. I think feeling like you have to play is the first step down the road to burnout. To be a pro you need to have talent and love playing/practicing so much that it never feels like work. It's really not that much different than being a top professional athelete.... doesn anybody practice harder at golf than Tiger Woods or Vijay Singh??

I do wish that I lived closer to a live poker room because I really love the interaction that is a part of live poker.

Good luck OP!

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Old 01-12-2009, 01:08 PM   #122
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I do wish that I lived closer to a live poker room because I really love the interaction that is a part of live poker.
Read the thread in HSNL about HEK getting banned from FW. You'll realize that you're not missing much.
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Old 01-12-2009, 01:29 PM   #123
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ya live poker sucks dick for sure.
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Old 01-12-2009, 02:25 PM   #124
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Read the thread in HSNL about HEK getting banned from FW. You'll realize that you're not missing much.
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Old 01-12-2009, 02:28 PM   #125
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It's like the 10th thread on the first page of HSNL. And it is titled: "I got banned for LIFE from Foxwoods (tl;dr)". So I can see how it is hard for you to find it.

But here is a link, just because I'm a nice guy.
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