Guy is such a douche. Moving your chips like that should count as a bet.

Half the people in this thread are falling on their sword for what is really a nothing burger. He moved chips to the side. Hardly the worst kind of angle, and I wouldn’t even call this an angle. People cut out chips for calling or raising before ultimately calling, raising or yes folding. Making a mountain out of a molehill here imho.

It's hard to see just how egregious it was in a single gif.

Sometimes he would do fake outs using his cards and other times with his chips. Sometimes it would be taking chips out from his stack using the same motion he would use to make a call. Sometimes he would put the chips back into his stack using that same motion. Sometimes he would do all this multiple times for a single decision. Lots of moving his stack around to trick the opposing player.

Chance seems like the type of guy that would pull what Sam Soverell did at a final table during the 2019 WSOP, where he folded out of turn and pretended it was an accident. No penalty for him either.

Pros like him and Chance are looking for every ounce of EV they can possibly squeeze out of someone, and they do so to the detriment of the game.

I bet Chance is also the type of player who will ‘get lost’ during a table change if he’s up in the BB, then magically find his table once the button is on him.

What makes this even worse is that Chance runs some coaching business I believe. I have to imagine he teaches these types of tricks to his students.

I noticed Ryan Leng (guy who made one of the worst folds in history) is defending him on Twitter. They have to be friends and/or business partners. I don’t feel nearly as sorry for Leng as I did before about his fold.

I think he should be burned at the stake.

Everything you slam the guy for you made up out of thin air. None have actually happened, to anyone's knowledge in the thread at the least.

Guys all the time pull out chip stacks, break them down, stack them up again, then take a hard look at their villain. It's been going on for decades. It's forward motion that straddles the line between fair and angling. From what I saw watching the live stream last night, Kornuth's moves didn't seem all that egregious.

I love when he does all this crap and then still calls incorrectly lol.

Made up out of thin air or just copied what Ike said about Soverel

this. Just remember it's true that all the things you do will come back to you in your own time.

I'll be impressed if he continues to do it one year from now. Public shaming is pretty effective. Look forward to revisiting this thread.

Ah yes the king of logic and sound opinions is defending kornuth as well


"Moving your chips to try getting a reaction out of your opponent................ is not an angle"

DNegs is right, still a bad look.
Just bc u can doesn’t mean u should.
Most people (esp poker players) value money over morals so it’s gonna happen.
As a player you have to expect people to try to angle you. New players will get fleeced by guys like chance which sucks but like DN said it’s hard to make a ruling where this behavior isn’t allowed.

I think it's fine.

Of course he won't be doing this in a year. He's been outted . The majority think it's douchey (80%+) ...unless he wants to look like a slimeball he will stop.

Its one of the biggest nothing burgers of the year. I feel like I could make a 5-10 min video of players doing this same move. An angle would be to spill a big stack forward with the nuts then complain that you didn't mean to do that. Players have been doing chip dances and cutouts for decades.

"People have been doing it forever" is not a valid argument. DNegs is right though, it's not really possible to consistently enforce a rule against this. It's something people should be shamed for and that's about all you can do.

So it’s not wrong, if chips go forward then I agree it’s an angle, but that’s not what’s happening.

I don't care what you call it, it should be frowned upon

There's literally 0 forward motion. He pulls it backwards. Pump fake is a misleading word for this.

It's not illegal and it's not an angle shoot. But let me ask you a question .. would you want to play at a table with 8 other guys that did this same exact thing all the time ? Maybe you wouldn't mind , but me personally and I'm sure every amateur definitely wouldn't . If more guys start pulling this **** you will lose any fish that are left.

Use whatever tools you legally have at your disposal but NVG loves to hate.

I am surprised that Dnegs is such a twit about poker but he is okay with all the **** that happens in a hockey game.

Daniel just don't deflate your balls too much.

Reading comprehension isn’t really your thing, I see.

If what he did was so standard then I’m surprised all of these top pros have come out and called it scummy and an angle. Poor Chance