A lot of discussion about some ethically questionable tactics in the WSOP.

Particularly for a high profile owner of a coaching site, this seems like a really bad look on Poker’s biggest stage.

What say you NVG?

He can do whatever he wants as long as its within the rules. Its about getting other peoples chips, not being a nice guy. Does it look good? Probably not. Does he care? Probably not.

Not something i would do but don't see too much in that video to call him out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyupCd8XHnM

This guy on the other hand...

The poll needed a third option as its clearly not a good look but not a particularly bad one either imo.

its dirty as ****. period.

My biggest issue with it is that it slows the game down. Guys like this clown are the ones running people away from the game

What’s the problem? No forward motion and not any different than someone cutting out calling chips to try to get a reaction. Not uncommon for people to cut out a stack of raising chips to try to dissuade a bet from someone acting before them, too.

You seem really upset about this when these types of things are a pretty standard live game move.

I hate seeing people like this in poker rooms. Makes the all in experience for the less experienced players worse, which means they are less likely to come back.

It’s the opposite behavior we should want to see from presumably influential leaders in the poker community.

Based on what was seen on twitter, there is nothing wrong with what Kornuth is doing.

The problem with players today is that many are biased towards "poker is a game of frequencies and ranges" mentality as opposed to "poker is a game of people" mindset. But people, because they are creatures of emotions, do give out tells in response to feints and Kornuth knows it is the recs that do it. He was doing it against recs.

People, especially the ones' of the general caliber of the typical Main Event participant, would break if you stare it them long enough. Chidwick won't. Koon won't. But that woman would and Kornuth knows it. All he needed was to see a drop of sweat, a twitch, a change in eye direction, breath count, etc. and it would turbo charge EV over and above observaions of frequencies, ranges, and lines of play habits.

You keep rambling about ranges and frequencies as if it’s even remotely close to relevant. You sound clueless.

The truth is that poker is about those things, but it’s about integrity and not being a slimeball too.

Kornuth knows that poker is about those things...but he also knows that in high stress situations recs can give away tells that supplement those things.

There is an action line when your move forward of chips makes it a official action. He never made his chips cross that line...and everyone knows it.

He was just looking for tells. He wasn't necessarily trying to make his opponent make an OFFICIAL response....just behavioral ones.

Will this "behavior" encourage a recreational player to come back to the Main Event?

Question asked and answered.

Can you show us where that line is exactly at a WSOP table?

Is it like that hard betting line that people still talk about even though barely any legit card room uses those anymore?

There's a reason why so many high stakes fun players don't want to play in games without a time bank anymore.

PS: But sure, if you want poker to be only between the likes of Chance, Berkey, Koon etc. ... continue that.

... even discussing if this is dirty is so stupid ... ok, now i'm done

Of course I lied! It’s poker, Phil.

I wouldn’t make the move, but I don’t think it’s OOL.

The betting line is not even remotely relevant in this case because there wasn't even a100th of an inch of a forward move.

He was just removing a portion of the chips from the whole and moving it sideways while eyeing his opponent's possible micro responses in the process.

Repeatedly, for like two minutes.

You said there was an “action line” so I asked where to find that one for future reference.

Floyd Mayweather repeatedly feints with fake jabs to the body.

Two minutes is two minutes whether it is used to use physical (and legal) movements aimed at eliciting tells or to go into deep thinking about ICM, SPR and other relevant numbers.

At least he is using the time to try and get information. The guys that sit there and tank who are just agonizing to themselves while not looking at the other player and not trying to get any new information to act on are the ones that are the problem.

Lmfao at Berkey in the same sentence as Koon.

People itt don't know what angle shooting means

it's within the rules and so is calling the clock. when people take forever and do this kind of stuff call the clock on them- even moreso for a player of his caliber. why sit there forever, have every ounce of fun sucked out of the game for a great player to make even better decisions while pissing off recs with their antics.

Agreed, he is trying to get a reaction from his opponent. Why doesn't anyone just tell him to knock if off like I would? I would tell him to knock it off and quit slowing the game down. Chance was starting that lady down, it isn't necessary. I voted dbag instantly and would tell chance off at the table, this is why online poker is great no bs games like this. Poker is a great game but the scandals and behavior of some of the players ruins the class of the game.