I have been trying to share the important information about how casinos may employ shills like streamers/youtubers in their poker rooms. Those folks may be secretly making deals with casinos behind close doors. It looks very fishy how they have been running and crushing cash games and tournaments from casino to casino. Check out videos they share on their channels and you guys will see.


But the 2p2 scumbags kept deleting my thread and tried to silent me. Stop being a b*tch to casinos. F u

Where did you post your thread? That's probably the issue.

I posted here

What important information? It seems the entirety of your evidence is that some people win too frequently. Do you have something more?

It doesn't matter how I play I keep getting bad beats for a very long time and I feel casinos rig the deck against me. I cannot play a normal game like I used to. It looks like the shuffler they use in the poker rooms throughout the country is a ****ing scam.

Those youtubers have been hitting cards more than I've been hitting in one year. It seems fishy af.

i haven't looked recently, but for many years Nevada casinos were authorized to employ shills in poker roo. The casinos posted a small sign in the poker room disclosing the practice.The only restriction was that, if asked directly, a shill was required to identify himself/herself as a paid shill.

I haven't bothered to check if the shill regulation is still in place, why don't you do that be asking the Nevada Gaming Control Board and also the management of any room in the State where you have a concern.

Shills would be paid, minimum wage I believe, that what's made them shills. They kept their winnings and bore their own losses also. Their most common function was to start new games as needed and directed by the card room manager.

I can't speak to present practice, and encourage OP to google the Nevada Gaming regulations or ask if he desires. Use of shills in poker was NOT a secret in the past.

Well, now we know why your threads keep getting deleted. If you had something of substance, perhaps there would be a possibility of discussion. 'Some youtubers win a lot and I keep getting bad beats' isn't very conducive to discussion, especially when your mind seems pretty made up when you say stuff like "But the 2p2 scumbags kept deleting my thread and tried to silent me. Stop being a b*tch to casinos. F u" and "Stop being native" (which I assume is meant to be naïve).

If that's all you've got, I think you can expect this thread will be deleted as well.

While I'm sure that's all true, that's doesn't appear to be what the OP is talking about. He seems to believe the games are rigged in favour of certain players, and against him.

Common logic would state that streamers that end up streaming long term are going to be winners, or close to it. You're not going to get a ton of views/subs if you're losing or playing bad all the time.

Also, you're discussing live poker. You could play 200 hands/day for 5 days/wk for a year and only see 53,000 hands. If you're a 5bb/100 winner, there's still better than 1/10 chance you'll be losing after 53k hands.




You'll need some actually data to be relevant and not get "censored." Using works like "seems" and "looks" mean you haven't actually done any work to remotely prove your opinion.


And I'd expect you'll keep having posts deleted or ignored unless you toss out some data other than "I'm losing and I shouldn't be."

here’s a crazy idea. people may only be showing their good sessions because it makes more money than showing losing sessions. either that or it’s actually rigged.

2022 has been a great year for WPT ambassadors and vloggers

I mean censorship is to be expected on a forum that literally waves a "I support the current thing" flag on their home page ...

Somehow I think the flag of the owners' country is a little more meaningful to them than "I support the current thing". Regardless, I don't know how that relates to censorship.

Aren't the owners Russian?

I don't believe so, but I'll let them speak for themselves. However, even if that was correct, it doesn't change my point - this isn't some "I support the current thing" issue for them, but something that matters to them personally.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...raine-1804759/

You mean like Lex Veldhuis? Lose 24/7 and make a ton of money from streaming. Atleast he admitted being a streamer instead of pro anymore.

This thread and/or the OP belong in ATF. He clearly hasn't provided enough evidence to warrant a thread in NVG.

Likely when you see a YouTube stream//twitch stream they would be playing more than 4 tables, they generally play some to the side and may not show the hands on the main screen when they are likely to be in close spots /behind.

So your viewing experience may be different from what is really going on.

In terms of everything else, it’s variance, poker is hard. Unless you can show proof you can’t really call anyone a shill or a cheater based on a win rate or small samples of setup hands.

Remember the better you are at poker, the more likely you will understand variance, card distribution etc.

OP some specific hand histories will help your case. Please be as specific as possible regarding the other players, your reads on them, etc.

It’s been speculated for a long time that Andy Kaufman is actually alive and well, and this post is all the proof we need. My advice is to simply enjoy the performance artistry and see where YouCallYouLose takes us next.

Aren't the owners from Russia?

Which is amazing, considering how low that bar is.

I told you specifically via PM that you're required to present proof if you want to accuse businesses or individuals of committing crimes. This is a public forum and not some kind of legal black hole.

Can you provide the link ?

The only way to collect data is to gain access to a card shuffler with cameras and some sort of software while the machine is working which I am not capable of doing it. Maybe someone out there can do it.

Do I have to prove how an airplane is able to travel from point A to point B? No. My personal observation is enough to prove.

How am I going to obtain evidence when poker equipments are owned by casinos? Do you want me to get in trouble ? I have been playing ****ing game very long time and I always pay attention. Definitely something fishy is going on. I hope someone out there is doing the hacking job into the shuffler and comes here to provide proof someday.

Call less imo.

"Just trust me bro."