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12-22-2022 , 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by NJPW
I wasn't doing this. The J4 thread hasn't really been about the J4 hand for weeks now, that's why I specifically said the "derail" goes against the rules of the forum. Those posts should be deleted since they are baseless and (per the sticky) the posters spreading malicious lies about many people that don't deserve it should be banned.
Not trying to derail this high level discussion, but the title of the thread is "Garrett Adelstein Report on Likely Cheating on Hustler Casino Live". Just because Garrett turned out to be a suspect of cheating, doesn't mean it's off topic. Nice try though.
12-22-2022 , 02:43 AM
OP, it’s clear to me that you are being cheated by the casinos. You should quit poker before you are cheated even more.

I am so sorry this happened to you.

Really.

No, really.

Really really.

Also, on a serious note, I tried to post about actual cheating that was occurring in my local casino (and the poker room management’s lack of response to such cheating) in NVG, as a PSA, and my thread was removed too. My allegations were much more specific than yours. I also wondered why my thread was deleted while the robbi garret situation was left up. I guess some accusations are less worthy than others to the powers that be.
12-22-2022 , 04:03 AM
This comparison stuff is really getting silly; I'd suggest taking it to the moderation thread if you're concerned. But DT, I'd be pretty surprised if the issue with your thread wasn't already explained to you.
12-22-2022 , 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
This comparison stuff is really getting silly; I'd suggest taking it to the moderation thread if you're concerned. But DT, I'd be pretty surprised if the issue with your thread wasn't already explained to you.
Dinesh PM’d me, yes. It was to protect the alleged cheaters’ privacy and because traditionally you all want players to resolve disputes with the casino and amongst themselves and not in the forums. I don’t want to get into a debate about what differentiates my post from the garret post, although there could be privacy and private dispute resolution arguments for both, not to mention the many “xyz owes me money” threads. I’ll leave it at that since this thread is probably going to be locked anyway.

Last edited by DumbosTrunk; 12-22-2022 at 04:21 AM.
12-22-2022 , 04:22 AM
12-23-2022 , 05:28 PM
Why does a thread with vague generalities about poker in general need to be deleted?

I'm not debating the merits of this particular thread, but to me when someone starts calling out a specific business or person, that's when they should be held to the standard of providing evidence.

I do think there is some merit to allowing discussion that could eventually lead to a discovery of various cheating methods.

Ie:

"I suspect..."

Followed by a response.

"I also suspect..."

Followed by.

"At my local casino I caught someone doing XYZ in just the manner you described."

As long as no one is being slandered, what is wrong with that?
12-23-2022 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by GreatWhiteFish
Why does a thread with vague generalities about poker in general need to be deleted?

I'm not debating the merits of this particular thread, but to me when someone starts calling out a specific business or person, that's when they should be held to the standard of providing evidence.

I do think there is some merit to allowing discussion that could eventually lead to a discovery of various cheating methods.

Ie:

"I suspect..."

Followed by a response.

"I also suspect..."

Followed by.

"At my local casino I caught someone doing XYZ in just the manner you described."

As long as no one is being slandered, what is wrong with that?
It's boring ?
12-23-2022 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Youcallyoulose
It doesn't matter how I play I keep getting bad beats for a very long time and I feel casinos rig the deck against me. I cannot play a normal game like I used to. It looks like the shuffler they use in the poker rooms throughout the country is a ****ing scam.

Those youtubers have been hitting cards more than I've been hitting in one year. It seems fishy af.
I see your problem. You think everything should be fair. You don't realize that it is all controlled by George Soros and the Jews through bouncing mind control beams off of Italian satellites in order to manipulate the order of the cards.

The solution is to wear a thick layer of tin foil on your head and whip your manhood out and lay it on the rail. The tinfoil will protect against the beams and the manhood thing won't really do anything, but it will get a good laugh.

Good luck.
12-23-2022 , 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by JimL
I see your problem. You think everything should be fair. You don't realize that it is all controlled by George Soros and the Jews through bouncing mind control beams off of Italian satellites in order to manipulate the order of the cards.

The solution is to wear a thick layer of tin foil on your head and whip your manhood out and lay it on the rail. The tinfoil will protect against the beams and the manhood thing won't really do anything, but it will get a good laugh.

Good luck.
Not true. Biden confided in me that the Russians are behind it. It takes a web of Russian bots to control every auto-shuffler all over the country simultaneously.

But the rest of your post is true.
12-23-2022 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by sixfour
Typically there's a high correlation between people posting "support current thing" images, and being the sort to shut down anything that prevents their social media platform of choice from being anything other than a lefty echo chamber. Very obvious to anyone that's used social media for more than five minutes in the last three years, but not really applicable to the OP's situation
LOL

Tell me you like to whine without directly telling me you like to whine.
12-23-2022 , 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Stroggoz
Your argument only works if the audience is dumb. You expect people to take you at your word. In the real world, it takes some serious, overwhelming evidence to convince intelligent people that your right. Even then, that's usually not enough.
In the real world intelligent people are few and far between, and the vast majority of people can be convinced of virtually anything with a glib, vacuous argument.
12-24-2022 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Frenbar
In the real world intelligent people are few and far between, and the vast majority of people can be convinced of virtually anything with a glib, vacuous argument.
In the Kingdom of the Blind, the one-eyed man likely gets sharp stick therapy.
12-24-2022 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
OP, it’s clear to me that you are being cheated by the casinos. You should quit poker before you are cheated even more.

I am so sorry this happened to you.

Really.

No, really.

Really really.

Also, on a serious note, I tried to post about actual cheating that was occurring in my local casino (and the poker room management’s lack of response to such cheating) in NVG, as a PSA, and my thread was removed too. My allegations were much more specific than yours. I also wondered why my thread was deleted while the robbi garret situation was left up. I guess some accusations are less worthy than others to the powers that be.

The people being cheated in the Hustler scam are the fools that don't understand we live in an era where the point of the cheating was the publicity and the ability to monetize fame. The cheating you described likely was designed to swindle players not viewers and points out how crooked the industry can be, those that profit from it need to hide it.
12-25-2022 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Nope. I mean, it certainly could be, but given that the enforcement of this rule is often quite subjective (like many modding decisions), closing or deleting this post while leaving that one open could be a solid decision.

If you have concerns about that thread, then you should report whatever you're concerned about, or post about it in the moderation thread. If you think that this thread should remain open on its own merits rather than with a "but that thread is still open" argument, go for it I guess?
I have no dog in this race and am an impartial observer, but you said it yourself. The enforcement is subjective. That's where the potential hypocrisy may be perceived by whomever party whose thread is locked under the pretense of accusations without evidence.
12-26-2022 , 03:12 AM
Sure. But the enforcement is subjective because it can be no other way, which makes it silly to call it hypocritical to close thread X while thread Y about an entirely different topic remains open. That's why I said that if someone has concerns about another thread, they should report whatever they're concerned about, or post about it in the moderation thread.
12-26-2022 , 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by madlex
Our rules are pretty clear on unsubstantiated accusations. Other individuals/businesses can't accuse you of breaking the law without any kind of evidence/proof and you can't accuse them of doing so.

Please provide your evidence. Otherwise this thread will be closed or deleted.
No evidence has been provided, and you know there never will.

Why does this nonsense get entertained?
12-26-2022 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Youcallyoulose
I have been trying to share the important information about how casinos may employ shills like streamers/youtubers in their poker rooms. Those folks may be secretly making deals with casinos behind close doors. It looks very fishy how they have been running and crushing cash games and tournaments from casino to casino. Check out videos they share on their channels and you guys will see.
Live poker is rigged.

You know who used to play a lot live? Russ Hamilton!

I rest my case.
12-30-2022 , 06:58 AM
Personally to me playing live poker sounds like poker hell but i think OP is off base and probably doesn't understand variance
12-30-2022 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by dude45
Personally to me playing live poker sounds like poker hell but i think OP is off base and probably doesn't understand variance
Dude, it's like printing money.
12-31-2022 , 02:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Youcallyoulose
Do I have to prove how an airplane is able to travel from point A to point B? No. My personal observation is enough to prove.
Hahaha I just noticed this, almost two weeks later.

At risk of stretching this analogy even thinner, you're not being asked to prove that an airplane is able to travel from point A to point B. If anything, you're saying an airplane should NOT be able to travel from point A to point B, but because it does – which you know based on personal observation – there must be lying and cheating involved.
01-01-2023 , 04:06 AM
How is this thread still open…
01-02-2023 , 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by joe_seboks_luck
Live poker is rigged.

You know who used to play a lot live? Russ Hamilton!

I rest my case.
lol, yeah .... but his infamous swindle was online.

Last edited by Gzesh; 01-02-2023 at 09:03 PM.
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