Not sure if serious

sick and scary story

Deathorglory0 makes his point quite badly, but there is a degree of truth to it.

Reading this thread, I am utterly convinced that the guy is guilty. Yet, until a few minutes ago, I had no idea who Cedric was, nor any of those who appear to have been scammed by him.

There are some countries in the world where you can be thrown in jail for many years, just because of what police have told the court, even if they have zero bona-fide evidence to back up the accusation. I feel lucky not to live in a country like that.

With regards to this forum, I think the day will come where the 2plus2 owners are faced with a serious piece of litigation from someone who was wrongly exposed as being a scammer in NVG. On balance, I think it is to their credit that they will go out on a limb and support members who have been scammed, or who at least claim to.

I guess most of the 2plus2 staff are fairly bright and only support claims where the evidence is pretty much beyond reasonable doubt, in their opinion.

It is a very tricky area though and I would be amazed if, at some point in the past, they hadn't been misled by a 'victim' and had actually exposed their company to the risk of being sued for a lot of money.

There are good reasons why most large forum owners are less inclined to be helpful, when somebody wants to make serious accusations in one of their threads. The risk/reward ratio doesn't sound very tempting.

Like I said, it sounds very much like the guy is a complete scumbag and I hope you can find a solution to the problems he appears to be causing everybody.

The best answer I can think of is to find whoever he is paying and offer to pay them more to do whatever you think is appropriate. Of course, that means stepping gingerly into the underworld, a place where I imagine that none of you are comfortable hanging around in for very long.

Your lives sound quite enviable, but, at the end of the day, you have chosen to be professional gamblers, playing illegally in a country as well known for danger as excitement. In that sort of environment, not much has changed since Doyle was a kid on the road.

If the police are willing to take bribes then go and report his crimes and bribe them to investigate.

Why does LofTF keep posting in threads that he knows nothing about?

He's tarding up the forum everywhere..

Hi Cedric

We can tell, sorry to be rude but it's quite obvious, my vision of Thailand was very wrong before coming here also.

He was gonna start a World of Warcraft gold farming company in Vietnam last year.

http://forum.pokercollectif.com/poke...-hackings.html

The fun begin post #35 with my friend Gab telling a little bit of the story.

I'm gonna read the rest of the thread because i just woke up and maybe cliff here after but the thread is so big now I might need help.

Btw, in USA ur Guilty until proven Innocent, it's in Canada that ur Innocent until proven Guilty.

So this thread is suddenly turning in to a weak and childish societal debate rather then a thread about outing a criminal?

Hope not.

Duly noted. Posts deleted. Lets out this ****er!

some well informed helpful posts about thailand here lol

stop talking about getting the police involved as thats laughable.

sounds like a real piece of work though. surprised he's not had a kick in by now.

Probably the fact he's been publicly outed is enough to send him packing as i doubt anyone thats aware in the poker community would be stupid enough to give him the time of day and if he's seen with anyone else just go out your way to warn that person what a piece of **** he is.

You can't just post a vague warning about a guy with his real name attached and have a bunch of people come in with terse +1's. Am I predisposed to thinking the guy's guilty based on the number and stature of those chiming in? Yes. Doesn't mean this should turn into a forum where claims are adjudicated by reputation alone. There's lots of you, right? So lay out just how you pieced this all together.

The litigant would be wasting their money. 2p2, already had a judge rule that they are not responsible for the posts made by their members. IMO (and I am not a lawyer) the best they can hope for is an injunction to take a thread or post down.

All proof are on pokercollectif french canadian forum.

this guy is dirty. watch your backs out there guys.

All is forgiven then.

i pretty much agree with everything youre saying. That said, i m part of the phuket community and I was one of the more vocal voices to post this ASAP. You have to realize that being in Thailand changes things for everyone involved drastically. We cant go to the police because the police is a corrupt entity that isnt to be trusted. That takes A LOT of the leverage that people have in "civilized" countries away from people who face scammers/thiefs/any illegal activity. Also, if you are an unscrupulous person, it s very easy to hire criminals for very little money.

so let s look at what we know with certainty:

-2 different houses have been burglarized
-some of the people in one house claim they have been hacked and lost a substantial amount at nl5k
-people in the same house claim to have been followed home at various times
-that whole house got scared ****less and left the country
-other people in the phuket poker community report suspicious things(people hanging out around houses, delivery men ringing the bell at various times (possibly to find out if someone is home))


then there are a bunch of rumors, mainly surrounding cedric and his possible involvement with thai mafia,police. Also stories about him owning guns, old rumors about him drugging and robbing people, him hacking other people, him bribing his way into (guarded) houses and other stuff i might be forgetting


so with all that in mind, and with the "security through obscurity" pejorative mostly being on his side (given that he (supposedly)is covertly trying to target poker players for years now) it seems prudent to out him ASAP in the poker community and make everyone aware of what s happening.

also, obv we re not trying to ruin his reputation, we would love for him to come here or onto the french site and defend himself.

yeah, +1

can you crosspost and translate whatever is there?

Wow, i didn't know Thailand cops were so corrupt. If you guys are settled and don't want to leave, than could you not hire some protection out there? I know that's not ideal, as nobody should live in fear but if that Cedric A-hole got to learn that you have protection i bet he would think twice on targeting you. Bullies hate resistance.

lol

You guys should pool your money together and get a connected lawyer to advise you on the best way to take this to the police. Let the lawyer know you're concerned about shedding light on your online poker activities but that you have some legit crimes to report and you're scared of this guy.

The lawyer can act as intermediary between you and the police and can help you file the police reports for those crimes that have nothing to do with online poker (residential burglary is a pretty serious offense in any country). At the very least, it will probably get this guy out of Thailand.

Also keep in mind that corruption works both ways. Just as this guy can pay the cops to get out of it if he is arrested, you guys can pay the cops to arrest or harass this guy. Don't just walk up to a street cop and propose this though, that's what the lawyer is for...