Yes they were working for some people, but you really have no reason to cash out.

Who sais its not going to work for you non US players? Cereus' stance along with the two other sites is that players outside of the US haven't been blocked from depositing/withdrawing and everything is normal and all of you will presumably remain unaffected. We US players are the ones that are completely getting f***** with

What processors will touch gaming sites after this.....people in this thread like junkies....playing with no ability to access your money on demand..is like bernie madoff telling u u have 3 million invested with him..wake the frig up

Care to elaborate? Because as I see: since friday there hasn't been any statement about how Cereus is gonna handle this situation. Basically games are ****ed up/dried up on the network. Vip support is pretty much useless too, so far they have been able to help me with any issue now they don't have a clue either. So yes I am worried regarding the future of this network and wanna see my roll in my Neteller account/start grinding on another network that is not affected in any means and maybe get back when everything is clear.

That is not entirely true because as far as I know and correct me if I am wrong all withdrawls have been frozen. That means my pending request will prolly be declined.

Just rolled myself out of bed after thinking about this, so excuse my sleepy rambling here.

I don't think it's a coincidence that this went down on a Friday. Banks aren't open on weekends, and thus the sites are pretty much at a loss for anything to do until Monday. This gives the DOJ the maximum amount of "shock and awe" time, over the period which most players are playing. It's very doubtful that the accounts frozen by the feds have much money in them at all, as they would be used for processing pending payouts. I think there's a decent chance (at least for AP) that Fernando just walks into the bank Monday morning and opens up an account that can be used for processing (at least WU like we were discussing before). But in the meantime, how many people are too freaked out to ever trust online poker again?

Back to bed.

When I talked to live support earlier they mentioned that withdrawls were suspended for US players. So im fairly positive non US players' accounts are open to do as they wish

I hope you are right! I talked to them too but they were not too convincing so until I see my money in my Neteller acc...

I have made a withdrawal request to Moneybookers on AP and it's been approved yesterday (Sat). Live chat support also told me that there wouldn't be problems with further withdrawals. So for UK it seems to be OK for now.

Strangely, I'm more worried about my FTP money now than my Cereus money. UB at least has reachable support and hasn't cancelled any cashouts (nor processed).

FTP has declined a cashout and ignors my e-mails.

Lol, haven't been playing online long, have you? There will ALWAYS be processors willing to step in, because there is money to be made to provide the service that outweigh the risks to some enterprising minds.

Neteller and Firepay came and went as US options. Then, so did click2pay, and that phone card option Full Tilt was using. And yet, somehow, many thousands of Americans recovered from those inconveniences and continue to play, and deposit.

Actions by the DOJ will shuffle Americans around (and at worst, push them underground in terms of what sites we play), but they will never simply snuff out online poker play in the US, and as such, there will always be individuals and business willing to take legal risks in order to accommodate the US poker player.

Just now talked to VIP Live Support for like the 15th time the past two days lol. They confirmed that it is ONLY u.s.a. players who cannot make withdraws. For non u.s. players it is business as usual, so it looks like ur set.

Also for the US players, this might be of interest. It looks like Cereus really is saying F U to DOJ, the government, and the feds. Live support told me that while withdraws are temporarily suspended they are currently trying to "fix the issue" and will try to process US players' cashouts as soon as possible and will send an email out to all US players informing them when they will be able to do so. Looks like they plan to continue to service US players. Take it with a grain of salt, since that is what they are supposed to say

Actually something has just struck me as very short-sighted by AP.

When their .com domains got confiscated Stars went with .eu, Full Tilt with .co.uk.

Absolute Poker though moved to .net.

This might be a problem very soon as .net top level domain administrator is Verisign - an American company and, incidentally, also an administrator for .com TLD.

There is no way US Govt can force UK's Nominet (.co.uk admin) or EuroDNS (.eu) to hand over domains but Verisign already gave up .com ones - what is there to prevent US Govt taking .net as well?

Actually both Absolutepoker.net and .eu are working...

BUDDY. I DONT TRUST UB AND THEY SUCK.

Knef I am on the same boat cause I am EU player. Could you post here with the info as soon as you get the money??? I requested my cashout almost 2 days ago it is still pending and I am really worried.

Sure, I'll post here as soon as it hits my Moneybookers (or if it doesn't by tomorrow morning).

I'm also really hoping there won't be issues with future withdrawals - I've been running really hot in the last 2 days. Would be a great shame if it's all for nothing

AP supends pay-outs to non-US players

Bad news already I'm afraid, gargamel_fk

From AP rep:

"We have suspended deposits, withdrawals and transfers because of recent legal actions taken by the US. We apologize for the inconvenience this causes you. We will provide an update as soon as possible.
We are currently assessing the situation with our legal team and will provide an update as soon as possible.
We apologize for any inconveniences this could have caused you.
Rest assured that your funds are safe"

This was specifically for European players and in spite of my pay-out having already been authorised.

grrrrrr

Knef I called UB via their US number and I was told that nothing changed. So they still process cashouts/deopsits/etc. for non US-players. Maybe they didn't notice that you are not US player. Seriously I don't know what to think about it. Could you call AP and ask them directly too?? cause it looks like one f"cking big mess.

AP support tells me: As a non US player it does not affect you. non US players can play, withdraw, deposit and transfer funds. Payouts may take longer for processing due to the number of requests right now. But for non US customers everything keeps as usual

damn I am a poker affiliate and I haven't withdrawn for months. I have the most money on UB

I just phoned AP and they did say that non-US players were fine - payouts and deposits going through as normal.

Guess we'll have to wait and see.

Folks who haven't been paying attention over the last few years should understand UB/AP are primarily a US facing shop. This was identified in the UB financials prior to UIGEA and their traffic is significantly less now than it was before UIGEA. There is no reason to think they have transitioned to an international player base in the last 3 years. The reason it's important is the Civil attachment to the indictment locks up >$500M in assets for UB/AP, a number clearly suggesting player deposits. Obv, there are going to be a lot of requests to withdraw in coming weeks with a higher percentage at UB/AP than at Tilt/Stars because those sites have worked hard to build international player bases.

My guess is Cereus is going to be in a fight for its life for a few weeks, hoping to survive long enough for people to get money back from the other sites and perhaps deposit smaller rolls on their site. If this occurs and they are able to use alternatives such as WU, they might not just survive, but actually thrive for a period. They have a lot of things working against them though.

The two majors can fight the indictment at its core by saying poker isn't gambling, hence all the ancillary charges suggesting maneuvers to facilitate gambling are not legitimate. UB/AP doesn't get to play that game since you can log on and play Sic Bo and Keno even if the games might be more rigged than such games normally are.

Plus, even players who plan to continue on are likely to draw down their rolls based on the overall uncertainty of possible next steps by the government.

The final item concerns integrity. This is a company which has repeatedly lied to customers about issues related to the scandal. For instance, they have continually claimed that no former owners are currently involved. In the indictment, it states as late as 2009, Brent Beckley (an original owner/manager) was facilitating money movement within the company. Such prevarication ought to be an ominous sign for anyone trusting in the safety of their bankroll because it speaks to a company morality which probably would have no problem walking away clean if it finally comes to that.