Yes, that's exactly it. By my idiotic state govt banning me everywhere else, I am defacto 'shilling' for AP.

HE LIVES IN WASHINGTON HE HAS NOWHERE ELSE TO PLAY.

We get it, you don't like Cereus, however Tom apparently likes playing poker, so he chooses to play there.

Maybe Party Poker jumped back into the market and I just missed it!

lol at people still hating on Cereus. Yeah they're awful, so dont play there. But ppl publicly attacking those who choose to play there are tools. Especially to do so at a time like this when all of us online players should be sticking together

No, you are just plain stepping forward and saying its OK to support villains because your world has been threatened. You are fine with Russ Hamilton and Greg Pierson and Scott Tom and Paul Leggett pocketing millions on the flesh of others.

That you never showed up in any of the early threads or the subsequent threads with concern for players speaks volumes. When Shaw said we were just haggling over the price, he intimated there was at least a razor blade amount of negotiation over the price. It seems you are fine with any two dollar whore which struts down the avenue.

Really, you don't understand why UB is raking the **** out of everybody right now?

I'm not saying that at all. I 100% blame the US govt for forcing me from Party, and then Stars, and then Full Tilt.

Yeah because I WASN'T PLAYING THERE BECAUSE WHO WOULD ****ING PLAY THERE UNLESS THEY WERE FORCED.

A lot of people throughout history have made similar arguments. Its your soul, you oughta be able to sell it for whatever price you think is fair.

I will give you credit for pulling your head out of your magic the gathering game long enough to realize its time to pay attention.

ElevenGrover, there are plenty of threads where you can share your love for UB/AP.

I'm pretty sure that this thread has been created because people are worried about the current situation and want to discuss stuff like pay-outs, access etc.

So please, please do not troll this thread.

Sorry Knef, speaking truth to Cereus belongs in every thread about them. I have several friends who will agonize over the decision to play there and some will make the choice to go ahead. That doesn't mean we have to listen to people like you who seem to believe the right choice changes as soon as it costs you one dollar.

Trolls gonna troll. Keep it up.

I did have to laugh when I realized there was actually an official Cereus Regs thread on 2p2. Its in the Minbet forum, under the Small Stakes and Shorthanded subs. How did I ever miss that?

Oh btw, maybe you didn't hear, but they stole millions from players and covered up the resulting investigation and payouts.

Wonder the guy didn't get a seat in Congress then.

No man we didn't hear about it please let us know.

GTFO....cereusly!

"Forced"?

**** that, dude. Nobody is forcing you to do anything. Find another site to play on. If you can't, play Brick and Mortar. Or how about this? Get a real ****ing job.

Nobody is forcing you to play on UB. Don't act like you aren't in control.

Coming back to the present situation with Cereus and their apparent desire to give US Govt a finger.

There are 2 risk factors that might prevent Cereus from being able to carry on.

The first - recent events will scare all potential processors and there will simple be no way for US players to deposit/withdraw regardless of Cereus willingness to accept them. Without US players can Cereus carry on? Will they generate enough rake from non-US players to finance operations? It's quite possible that they won't and will be forced to fold.

Second - they get processors to accept US players but the "run on the bank" continues, players who withdraw then decide to take a "wait and see" approach. This will completely dry up the games and deprive them of revenue. How long will they be able to withstand significant drop in rake?

keep on fighting the good fight EG. Thanks man

Those are both very valid concerns, I think. However, where there's money to be made, somebody will step forward to make it. There's always going to be a Fernando making bank to process WU transactions from the Philippines all day.

This statement holds equal weight to ANY site servicing usa players be it carbon, cake, etc... Where this is a will there is a way.

Also sidenote about the WU. Anyone read the indictment? A Philippine bank account was listed. I'd bet on AP for that one and clearly scary

Ha ha Ha at the DOJ. One group you probably will never be able to touch is the Canadian Mohawks and hence Cereus continues.

Granted this should not give everyone a warm and fuzzy feeling as far as playing there but I will support any move that gives the DOJ the finger.

I don't plan on playing there but nonetheless go Mohawks go.

Those are very very good points. Obv we have no idea about Cereus' financial situation but it will most likely be detrimental to its future if US players can't withdraw, thus cant play there. For that reason I'd imagine Cereus, moreso than Stars or Tilt(who can at least survive from foreign players until online poker becomes US regulated) will likely find a way for Americans to be able to deposit/withdraw even if they resort to tricking banks again with ACH wires like they have every time i've cashed out.

Truth is most people are going to be awfully weary of depositing onto a poker site regardless and all of the sites are going to suffer. I'd imagine most people are in the same boat I'm in that we just want our money and don't really care if we can play or not. Just as long as we can access our funds and not have to worry that our rolls are lost in cyberspace. Im putting myself through school and flipping burgers is not cool yo! So im gonna take my 3k roll and grind 1/2 live........ugh FML

Guys when you mean "processors" do you refer to Neteller and Moneybookers as well?If you do so why on Earth do they need to find other ones?They are legit ones aren't they? I am from Uk so used only these two so cashout shouldn't be a problem .At least for non US players.

When was the last time neteller and moneybookers were working for Americans?

I think I made it clear that I am talking about non US players.. Just wanna make sure these two are working for me/Non US players so if my cashout is not gonna be approved thats not because they didn't find a 3rd party processor but because Cereus is **** around.