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Originally Posted by sketchy1
justice would be the DOJ not extorting businesses out of billions of dollars like they did pokerstars. all pokerstars did was operate a legit business in the US, and the DOJ decided to **** all that up.
let's quit acting like the gov't did the "stand up thing" by giving us our money back. it took 3 ****ing years, it still hasn't even happened so it might still get held up, and the pros and affiliates all got ****ed. **** the DOJ, **** eric holder.
"Extort"? Well, we'll give you poetic license, or rather, political rhetoric license.
"Billions"? No, you're off by one decimal order of magnitude.
"A legit business"? That issue was never decided by a court, because of the settlement agreement. We've had one lawyer on here explain that while the agreement specifically disclaims any admission or finding of guilt, the settlement amounts to an admission of guilt without the application of consequences other than the settlement payment.
"All pokerstars did"? You mean they didn't deliberately disguise and miscode transactions in order to deceive banks into making payments the banks would not have made if the transactions had been undisguised and coded correctly?
"Giving us our money back"? The government has not given and will not give anybody their money back. PokerStars players got what they were owed from PokerStars. FTP's non-US players got a gift from PokerStars equal to what they were owed by FTP, so what they got was not their money, just an equivalent sum. FTP's US players will get compensation for the loss of their money. The compensation comes from money paid by PokerStars, so once again, it is not the player's money they are getting back. FTP players' money is long gone. Same thing for Cereus players' money. If they ever get anything back it will not be their own money, but money voluntarily provided by the government as compensation for players' losses due to an offence.
"The gov't did the stand up thing"? FTP player's money was long gone before BF. FTP had mere pennies on the dollar to cover balances. The gov't was under no legal obligation to make remission payments. Does than mean paying remission is "the stand up thing"? IDK. Maybe it is only the politic thing.
Perhaps you will argue that FTP and Cereus were only short money because of the DOJ's past enforcement actions in seizing various bank accounts. Were this true, we would expect that PokerStars would also have come up short - they suffered seizures just as much as FTP and Cereus. At both Cereus and FTP, the sites or individuals working for the sites stole player money.
When the DOJ seized bank accounts used for miscoded transactions by PokerStars, FTP and Cereus, they were enforcing the law as they understood it. As it turns out, at least two of those three companies were involved in crimes against their customers. Perhaps you would prefer it if you lived in a country where the Justice department didn't enforce the law in industry sectors which have a high rate of participation in criminal activity.