Classic Ponzi. Now the ones stuck with the losses will band together to recruit others to be stuck in their place.

Do you guys have anything other then monies on your mind?

Heard of honour and integrity?

Ahh ok 2011 Aug, thats your join date. That explains everything.. Go and troll somewhere else. You have no clue what your talking about.

I actually do.

You are owed money by an insolvent (crooked?) company.

You are teaming together to create PR for this insolvent company so that new capital can be raised through unsuspecting players making new deposits.

Anyone not attached to UB/AP through their love for their monies would not want anyone to deposit their money on UB/AP since you would have better luck getting that money returned if investing them with that polite and nice nigerian dude who needs money to get money from his dead uncle.

Accept that you made a mistake playing on UB/AP and move on, do not drag more people into this.

Theres no ? there

i would snap deposit 1k because the games are good and
id have no problem cashing that out so GTFO and play on ftp

I can't even understand your post

The games on UB/AP might be good but they are play money games, not one single sane individual expects to get any money from UB/AP.

In what universe would you have no problem cashing out from UB/AP?

In what universe can I play on FTP?

I now realize that I probably was leveled... Good one! =)

All I have to say is you are mistaken and don't understand sarcasm well. To tired to explain. Now, everyone take a deep breath and realize no one is trying to screw anyone here. They are trying to make the company more attractive to an investor, who could pay everyone, which would make the sight relevant and probably somewhat succesful again. Like I said, relax, we should all be on the same team here.

To be honest wouldn't that investor be screwed if he bought the company thinking it had a loyal customer base dedicated to it's survival when infact all it have is a bunch of grinders trying to get their monies back?

You can try to spin this as much as you want but someone will get screwed.

Can you honestly tell me that you believe AP/UB to be viable companies?
That they can adjust and succeed in a non-us online poker market?

In a perfect world anyone who is implicit in the AP/UB scheme should be stripped of their assets and that money should should be distributed to everyone with money stuck on UB/AP and who lost money during the super user scandal.

But until that i find it appauling that the ones who ended up beeing screwed is now desperately trying to find another sucker to end up with the losses.

The screwed becomes the fu*'ers

please stop posting in this thread, nobody is interested in your thoughts. this is an important thread that doesn't need to be cluttered up with bs. thanks.

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As I asked you earlier, plz go and troll another thread.

He is not trolling, this is not a regs thread, its a Cereus discussion thread.

The message we should send to companies who lie to and steal from their own customers in the poker world should be that we will not stand from that, they will be caught and made to pay the price. NOT we will continue to support you, give you our money, and help you as much as we can.

Agreed and well put!

To help Cererus would be very shortsighted and sets an awful president for other companies,

In what universe is an investor going to put money into a site with a DOJ claim for 100s of millions, to be kind suspect management, almost no customers and a track record of stiffing players and previous shareholders ?

There will be a way for someone to buy certain assets from the company that are worth something without taking on the liabilites of the company. Those assets off the top of my head are the software, and non usa player pool.
I know if I were able to buy those 2 pieces alone and start from there I can make money.
However the buyer isnt starting from there alone, the buyer will just be adding the non usa players to their current pool of players, maybe improving their currrent software with cereus software that was excellent.
The converted players will cashout $1 for $1 based on rake.
I dont know if this will ever happen but I assume its been talked about and being looked into.
I just wish I was in a position financially and located somewhere other then the US to get involved.
It doesnt take much to make money from an online poker site if you have a few thousand players and arent stupid and greedy. It is in my opinion a great business model.
I also think there is absolutely nothing wrong with regulars who have money on there playing with goal of making buyers aware there is active player pool ready to be absorbed.
But lets face it, anyone who has money on there and was told to come to new site and play and you can cashout $1 for $1 on what you rake, would go to that new site and play and if they liked it would continue to play there.
This has been talked about already in the thread a few times. Unfortnately for me, being in USA, this will not help me ever see my money again.
And I have long ago, 100% given up any hope of getting it back.

jaypdpinoi here kingo..message me..

mmm that got me thinking, can't WE buy the software and the non-usa player pool?

That's what a couple of others said in the beginning of this thread. I mean FFS there is a sticky on the scandals on this site at the top of the forum and people were still depositing...

And lol at advertising the company to potential investors. This is the same company that, besides all the cheating and theft, also screwed their own shareholders and stiffed a debt holder, nice track record guys! And I saw someone mentioning to get in contact with the actual owners? They are criminals and how would you guys want to get in contact with those guys? They're hiding in Costa Rica and Panama, there is a reason they are wanted, as mentioned by the DOJ.

I know this is a forum and everyone can do/say whatever they want to a certain extent, but luring people into another scam and losing their shirt is not very ethical. I believe the mods should be aware of this and I'm not certain if they should allow this.

can someone post an email address which AP support is replying to.

Go to cashier and then Live Chat. A new window will pop up and there you go.

Well put together!

If this were a normal company you'd be right, they could declare bankruptcy and sell their assets to a new company, shedding (some) liabilities.

Unfortunately for Cereus (and FTP for that matter), the DOJ is suing for forfeiture of these assets as a part of their case. That means even if you and I bought Cereus' software, the DOJ could still confiscate it down the road. This is a risk no investor is going to be willing to take. So for a potential investor to buy these assets, they'd need to come to a deal with the DOJ first. This is why you won't see FTP get sold to a euro company that would stiff the U.S. players and continue operating in the rest of the world.

There is a fatal flaw in the $1 rake for $1 cashout... they don't have any money to cash out. No one would want to buy a player pool that is playing with, and subsequently cashing out, house money.

They money in our accounts is essentially arbitrary at this point.

I dont know enough to say intelligently one way or the other. I would think there is a country somewhere in the world where if you do business there and purchase the software and the client lists, you would be out of the reach of the us doj. Is there some small fledging poker room somewhere willing to take that chance? Maybe.
Is there some distress investor somewhere in the world who is seeing an opportunity to get a foot in a business without the major startup costs involved in developing or paying for software and who can acquire several thousand players instantly for pennies on the $ around? Perhaps.
Only time will tell. Like I said in my last post, it will mean nothing to me. My money is gone.

The $1 rake for $1 cashout assumes the player pool is absorbed by an existing site. Is it possible for a Cereus player to actually win a few real $s from someone who was already playing at the acquiring site while raking hands?
You would be right if the cereus players were just playing each other. They would be part of the existing player pool of players for the acquiring site.

Nice to see some common sense ITT.

Money can make you blind and stupid. Cereus must burn to the ground,