Thanks Spadebidder. That was very helpful.

That link/graph is completely incorrect.

Traffic on Cereus (obviously including play money ppl) was at times around 30k at peak hours. A buddy did an inclusive analysis in April 2010. For an entire week he monitored every hour of traffic.

As you can see the average was 18,849 people.

How is your buddy's data from over a year ago, that includes play money players supposed to show that a graph that shows data from the last 6 months and does not include play money players is "completely incorrect" ???

AFAIK, pokerscout is generally considered to be reliable.

Are we supposed to be surprised that traffic is down? I'm confused.

I have been trying to keep up with all of these posts and updates and while I am still very skeptical about this whole situation, obviously the DOJ statement is somewhat good news. Just curious what would the general consensus of value of a cereus $ be at now? I know for quite a while it was around 20 cents, how much do we feel that has changed with recent news?

depends for who, non-us(like myself) sold a few pieces for .35 and .4 before the announcement

Im a full time player on UB, I dont post here much but have been following this thread every day since the shutdown.

I made a 5 figure withdraw to Moneybookers the day after black friday which got returned to my account 4 days later. Then i tried a $250 withdraw a few days later to MB which sat pending for 2 weeks. When the $500 withdraw limit was introduced the other day I cancelled my pending withdraw and made a $500 withdraw to moneybookers on May 6th.

Today i received my $500 in moneybookers. I am Australian . This might be helpful to others wondering if withdraws are happening for Non US players.

fwiw

AP/UB usually had as many players as full tilt had tables. Idk why i remember that correlation

Today is not the best day to ask, too much emotion and euphoria involved, you will see the true impact of this news in about 3-5 days, also as kirby pointed out prices oscillated between .3 to .45 and will probably set at .5 -.65 after a few days...

I played on Cereus 40 hours a week for the past 1.5 - 2 years and I assure you that his numbers paint a fairly accurate picture of pre BF traffic here. My guess without his numbers was going to be 15k players, and it was going to be a conservative number.

Pokerscout information is completely wrong for overall traffic (for Cereus). Who knows if they only list real money ring games and not SNG/MTT/Play money. I couldn't tell you that as I am not interested. All I was trying to do was give accurate information regarding pre BF traffic since 3k players was ridiculously far off the actual number.

Think of it like this, do you really think that a 3k player base served as the third largest U.S. online poker site? You interpret my post/content as you wish, that is entirely up to you.

Pokerscout information is very very accurate, and your friend's sample/excel file is meaningless as to the real player traffic...

Its pretty easy to find out ...

http://www.pokerscout.com/Definitions.aspx

Active Players or Cash Players - The number of players currently seated at real money ring game tables. Specifically, active players refers to the number of occupied seats at active tables. A single player (screen name) playing at multiple tables will be counted as multiple active players.

Your statement "That link/graph is completely incorrect." really isn't open to much interpretation. You were comparing apples to oranges and thereby claiming that the count of apples was wrong.

Quite frankly, assuming that AP is remotely close to solvent seems like a very stupid thing to do.

Assuming anything you have no idea about is a very stupid thing to do!

I am not going to get an argument w/ ya'll. There was some generalizing about traffic pre BF in regards to payouts and overall liquidity of Cereus. Staying within this argument, ALL game traffic IS relevant since the site generates profit from real money SNG/MTT. Simply put, all I was trying to do was help by stating that all traffic is more than 3k players on average. I didn't need to post a graph but I went out of my way to provide that.

Not going to bloat this thread w/ stupid arguing.

/ this issue

Yet you continue to argue ...

Just concede that your assertion "That link/graph is completely incorrect." isn't proved by the numbers you posted and you won't look like such an idiot.

FWIW, I read somewhere that the number of cash ring game players is a very good measure since the rake collected /player/hour is many times greater (4x-5x?) than MTT/SnG fees /player/hour.

pokerscout is accurate, the site's numbers are not accurate because they include play money players.

Did you get that undertitle for that post? Because it's perfect...

my non-us cashout has been in "requested" status since 4th of may. has anyone had they're cashouts processed after that?

How are UB/AP getting away with blatantly lying to the DOJ?

Do you mean because Americans can still play?

The DoJ might not care about this issue all that much now - it's not illegal to play online poker for Americans, it's only illegal (well, arguably) for companies to process their money for this purpose. Cereus do not accept the deposits any more and the agreement is there to allow the payouts.

read the agreement they signed here http://******/xosYfM and tell me they are not in complete violation?

No. Play money traffic is irrelevant to this discussion. Poker Scout accurately tracks seated cash game players, and that trend is the best indicator of the effect of recent events.

I just got $500 from UB, approved quite quickly. And no, I'm not a UB shill.