They are not.

Anyone have this chat? Can't find it anywhere.

Can't believe the mentalness of this claim got glossed over so much...

What exactly prevents you from sending DN a PM asking him to give his take on the situation?
If DN wanted to get involved he would have by now.
It's a pretty hot topic and my guess is Stars 'ordered' their pros to stfu about this.
Turning a blind eye to US citizens VPNing from states is a BIG issue and it WILL influence the decision to give stars a licence in USA I can imagine..

Its just reaks of hypocrisy and double standards for the elitist of the elite. Its grotesque malpractice on Pokerstars behalf.
Shady mother#######.

If Amaya wont do anything maybe the California tribes should be made aware of this thread. They already have started an anti Pokerstars campaign. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...ornia-1537128/

If the tribes were aware that one of the top players in the world, a player who will be all over ESPN WSOP coverage this year because he won 2 bracelets and went deep in the main, was on Pokerstars cheating players out of money while on U.S. soil and Amaya did nothing about it then it's very likely that the tribes would bring this subject to a higher level of attention.

Since limon got fired by bart Hanson he has become pretty desperate. He's just trying to get attention.

You guys still don't get it. No one is going to take speculation for contracts (Pro's) being breached, or multi accounting occurring or VPN'ing happening as serious "so called crimes" that will prevent PokerStars from entering the United States. At least not without concrete proof that such exists that can stand up legally under attorney scrutiny.

So When PokerStars Senior Mgmt team met and discussed this so called crisis, they obviously put a plan together to address it internally....., they factored in the chance that the Indian Tribes, Two Plus Two & others may have a serious issue with what occurred..... And their conclusion is that no one (decision makers) now is going to take internet forum rants that seriously anymore. Just look at the issues that occurred at the WSOP (cheating scandal, dealer exposuring card - possible collusion), ALL will blow over by ignoring these internet kids as they wait for the next hot topic/scandal to jump on. WSOP and Caesars are showing everyone exactly how things blow over and people move on (and brands continue to thrive).

So NOTHING guys is going to happen here with PokerStars. They have no respect for this poker community at Two Plus Two (or they would have addressed it by now).

It is not going to effect them getting a license as they have indeed addressed it from a legal and regulatory standpoint internally to the satisfaction of their attorneys and compliance teams (as I am sure they are prepared to respond to any governing authority as to what they discovered and how the resolved the issue internally at Poker Stars (including covering up all traces of anything that could harm them - if applicable)

- they simply don't need to tell Two Plus Two any of this in order to get a license. Nor will the Indian Tribes use this as a weapon without concrete facts or they will come across with major egg on their faces... In fact they probably prefer if the Two Plus Two "die hards" stop playing on their sites (where legal of course - how ironic is this statement).... and leave them alone. (as PokerStars will continue as a thriving business with or without Two Plus Two).

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I have no skin in the game and no desire to contact Daniel Negreanu. But I will state it once again. He is the integrity man that can get all of you guys answers. If not Daniel, then this thread will continue forever as PokerStars is not responding to you (and will not) as to what they discovered and how they internally addressed the issue to protect themselves to when it comes to shareholders value (and to getting a license in the United States to operate).

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Peace

Sounds like the same story as Jeans with EPT Barcelona hotel and breaking into hotel rooms. Stars and Lee Jones said basically nothing and let it blow over. Unfortunately, that seems to be the way things get taken care of in this industry as everyone's looking out for #1 First.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...ojans-1369171/

Funny side note, I logged on Sunday night to my main laptop to play in "PS Home Game" league that we have and realized I didn't have my battery cord while laptop was about dead. So, I logged on to 2nd laptop and when I did, I got a message that said my account had been temporarily frozen and was being investigated. About 5 or 10 mins later I got another message saying I was clear to play. I've never had this happen, don't know if it's something new? But, automatically thought it might have something to do with all the recent happenings, security-wise.

you might say it's revealing that he is only minded attention by random nobody nvgtards like us. if Dnegs, ike, or even some marginally recognizable pro makes the controversial claims he's making, you see well-known members of the poker community engaging with them immediately, positively or negatively. limon tries to make his posts as theatrical and controversial as possible (including his new acct as Deepthroatwhatever) and pretty much gets some randoms saying "um yeah, you need to prove that"...and the more respected posters basically ignore him.

No use addressing it when someone thinks they're God's gift and delusional. You'll just get called names and told you're wrong when in reality it's like listening to Gilbert Godfried give a sex ed lecture.

Ok.

This.

WP Bakes. Played 750 hands with NoelHayes and only a tiny bit of 5K zoom so not personally affected tons but PLO games are swamped with multi-accounts and account swapping/ sharing. Thanks for outing one of them

Lol, amazing. He called the ****ing floor! I can't believe this is real life and that he's a real person.(I guess maybe I can)
Everything about him just comes off as some spoiled ignorant 10 year old.

Thanks for being so publicly vocal about this stuff Max, my brother played with you this summer and had nothing but great things to say about you.

... and guys, what if Brian Hasting has been advised legally not to say anything. What if Brian's attorney have met privately with the PokerStars legal team already.

I understand you may not like Brian's attitude. But he keeps hinting that you guys "do not know the whole story". Trust me, if he could tell you the whole story (and not just hint at it), then he would in a heartbeat.

You guys are continue to attack the wrong person that can give you answers to your questions. Especially if Brian did in fact clear all of this (VPN'ing, playing under the Hayes account) with someone associated with PokerStars. (I am not saying one word or the other if he did)

Not saying Brian is totally innocent by any means (as there are unsuspecting opponents that may have lost money as a result)..... Just that the focus of this thread beating up on Hasting has reached its usefulness. You (we) are not getting any answers from Brian Hastings to the many questions the poker community feels it deserves.

How about the "sins of omission" (Ike, Mercier, another named big Pro and PokerStars mgmt.). Hastings so called sins and non repentance has been beat to death and pointed out over and over again. And Brian to his credit is simply moving on with his life.

Or would you guys rather focus on Limon's big ego and the silly comments he makes to get all of Two Plus Two riled up ????? (hint - ignore him like already mentioned. Do not respond EVER to any of his posts as he knows how to push all of your buttons to get you to respond !)

Peace

There isn't much legal recourse here from poker stars as they benefited from him playing.

Plus it is an international matter so what court would they hear it in blah blah blah blah.

Can we get back to the trolling please!!!

Who wears mesh shorts to a TV interview?

So if Daniel Negreanu has no obligation to find out what happened at PokerStars. Why is Annie Duke (or even Phil H.) responsible for turning a blind eye to what occurred at UB. (poor example on my part, but you get my point)

If Annie Duke was around and the major sponsor for PokerStars, you would be demanding she get the poker community answers by using her influence with mgmt. (again this is a very bad example on my part to make a point)

** No I didn't mean to derail this thread into a Annie Duke post. Just using this as a poor example. I am also not knocking Daniel as I am sure if pressured, he would get some answers from PokerStars Mgmt (if he doesn't already have them). I say this because I know the new post Choice Center Daniel Negreanu is a man of ethics and integrity in all matters. So he cares deeply for his company PokerStars, Poker as a whole and also the poker community here on Two Plus Two. (I mean this and I am not being sarcastic)

Why do you keep trying to say it's somehow up to Daniel to investigate this and report back to 2+2, a site that by and large treats him like ****? I think it makes more sense to hold hastings responsible to tell the truth. Or PS management. But if neither side will do that for whatever reason, why do you expect DN to come up with the answers and be able to share it publically?

It just seems like you are trying to tie him into this for some reason, but then state you wont PM him yourself because you have no skin in the game. Yet you have enough interest to keep making posts suggesting things have happened, but offer no proof, just like L imon.

So since you seem to know so much of what has gone on internally with PS, why not just PM DN and share what you know?

Browser,

I didn't mean to offend. Just offering an outsiders insight on the matter. I will drop this now . I definitely was not trying to drag Daniel Negreanu into this. I just know he could help all of you regulars on this thread on Two Plus Two. I will leave this thread now. Good Luck guys. No offense meant.

Peace

No offense taken. I just couldnt understand why if you actually knew any facts as you suggested you did, that you didnt share them instead of trying to lay it all on DN. And now you say you werent trying to drag DN into this? Practically every post you made mentioned DN.

"What are the responsibilities and benefits of being on the Team?

Some of the responsibilities all Team members have include:

continuing to play regularly on the site
contributing entries to the PokerStars Blog
hosting final tables of our biggest tournaments
participating in site promotions
being available for media interviews
providing Poker Room Management with regular feedback on their experiences playing on the site
being a strong brand ambassador in terms of public behaviour/statements and poker etiquette/ethics

Further responsibilities vary between Team members, depending on the strengths of the individual and how we think their efforts are best utilized. As for benefits, contracts are negotiated on an individual basis and terms are kept confidential. But in addition to the intrinsic benefits of being an ambassador of the world’s largest poker room, Team members are compensated financially."


These are minimum requirements of ALL team members in writing on Stars site. If Ike or Dnegs or Selbst had knowledge of violations of poker etiquette or ethics (TOS) on the site the are required to provide poker room management with that information.

And Im sure they did! why wouldnt they? its insane, they had nothing to gain by keeping hastings secrets AND EVERYTHING TO LOSE.

Ike apparently knew weeks before hastings was outed that the noel hayes account was hastings (according t bakes), theres only 2 options here:

Option 1: he told his bosses and they left the account open.
Option 2: he violated his contract with pokerstars.

WHICH IS IT??

Completely agree that those are the only 2 options (if we take Bakes' allegations of Ike knowing to be true).

I just don't know why you think it's do definitive that it's option 1. I'm not saying it's impossible. Just don't see "why wouldn't they" (report it to PS) being the smoking gun type proof (ESPECIALLY when you state it so definitively).

option 3. pokerstars doesnt give a **** about poker and is developing fantasy sports to add to their sports betting and casino offerings.

My pure guess would be option 2.

And I would speculate that the reason for that is that Ike liked the advantage of playing in the same games as Noel Hayes while knowing that others were not aware that it was BH. And rationalized it by the fact that it wasn't him (ike) that was multi-accounting ...and thus, he wasn't doing anything wrong.

Anything for an edge. As short sighted as it might seem.

anyone else feel like deepthroat might be Hastings... or has this already been confirmed and i'm just late to the party.