those shorts lol. wtf.

Yep very likely was looking to share hole cards.

Bakes, if you don't have me on ignore, how did you find out stinger was noelhayes? And how did you know that mercier and Ike knew he was noel?

just fold prebirth plz

Odds on Brian's girlfriend to stay around if he goes busto?

she likes his tummy! so pretty high i'd guess.

+1, you're coming across like that American lunatic that loves the term "false flag".

I never "spout off". For the last decade I have been the voice of poker on this site. I told you where this story was going weeks ago. You can apologize and word the question respectfully and I will quote relevant portions of the contract, or you can continue insulting your superior like a childish bitch and be put on ignore while the adults sort this out.

nvg needs a gif (timeframe 00:06ish to 00:09-ish)

Limon, you keep saying that management knew. Do you have any proof or sources?

On the surface, it seems unlikely that management did know. Of course it's possible that someone in management did know( probably a lower level employee, it that were the case).

The way you say it though makes it sound like it was common knowledge. Like they discussed it at board meetings.

How many people in management do you think knew about it?

It just seems to reason that if word got around to a lot of people in management that they would have decided to do something about it.

Not that I think that Pokerstars would have banned him and confiscated his funds, but it probably would have went something more like this, " Hey Brian, we know that you are using the Noel Hayes account. Knock that **** off before people figure it out and it causes a p.r. ****storm."

problem is, nvg thinks it's some sort of poker court, but it's more like jerry springer ... no legit company will ever take screenshots of PMs, allegations or anything similar as a proof.

I know. But Limon is insistent that PS management absolutely knew. I'm just curious if he has an 'inside source' or if this is just what he believes on instinct.

Respectful request for you to provide the relevant contract language...

No. "Weeks ago" you were challenged with the same reasonable request to cite sources or evidence, and you clammed up then too. You keep relying on the ridiculous logic that:
i) Some Stars pros knew
ii) They'd have been let go if they didn't alert Stars,
iii) They have not yet been let go.
iv) Ergo, they DID tell Stars, and Stars is complicit in a massive Knights Templar coverup.

You have provided zero evidence, and now seem to be doubling down by claiming intimate knowledge of what's in Stars pros' contracts. Go ahead, provide your claimed contract language. Provide some (any) evidence that this is all a massive conspiracy. You're awfully defensive for someone who's so certain that he's right. Relax. No one's out to get you. Just provide some actual info, rather than just conjecture, and we'll go from there.

He also ignored my point -- because it contradicts his conjecture -- that whether Stars knew or not, if they are primarily interested in making this go away the last thing they would want to do is fire any big name pros.

I would forgive him all cheating if he allowed me to be his Personal Trainer for a 6 month camp. Lazy MoeFaux needs his ass kicked into shape stat. Green munch and cardio are what you need Stinger boy, not bracelets. Having money and a money snared gf means crap. Get your life GTO in order ffs.

And Ike knew? lol I wouldn't worry about it. Cheating is cool. It would have been terribly irresponsible of Ike to out anyone like that. I guess he too had the games global interests at heart. Bravo to Ike & Stinger & Mercier & Selbst and everyone else who knew. Shame on all the irresponsible haters on 2+2 who thrive on having something to complain about. Sad little hate brigade who want to ruin poker by making it a transparent game. The well oiled golden circle at the top must be maintained for the good of the game. The natural order of scum shall be restored & maintained. It's for the best, little folk.

It appears that PokerStars Senior Mgmt wants all of this to blow over and will continue to ignore this thread and issue as they move forward in running their business.

They will claim if questioned by entities that they have to answer too, that their in-house security team did an investigation and put in the proper procedures in place going forward to prevent this from occurring again. It will be tough to terminate anyone's (Pro's)contract without 100% proof that said contract was indeed breached. Put it bluntly, the corporate business executives at PokerStars feel they do not owe Two Plus Two posters any sort of answer to their internal business operations and decisions.

Now my real question - why is the Two Plus Two community (since PokerStars Mgmt is not responding) not going directly to the go between voice between the Poker Community and Poker Stars mgmt... the bridge so to speak - and that would be Daniel Negreanu. A man now with good ethics and integrity. Daniel is not shy and is a standup guy (whether you like him or not).

It seems to make sense that the focus now on this thread should be to get the real facts and what will be done (if anything) by Poker Stars. So why isn't anyone going directly to Daniel (since he reads the forums and has twitter account you can ask questions of him) and have him go get some answers and provide some answers to his fellow peers in the poker community....

I am not saying Daniel knew anything. But he has enough star power to get PokerStars to act and respond. Even if it is thru him. If PokerStars is indeed covering something up, Daniel with his integrity should have a major issue with this.

Good Luck

Negreanu is out for himself.

Daniel is a man of integrity (his own words). If there is indeed a cover up, he will not sit by if ask and do nothing. Why is the Poker Community not going to him and asking him to get answers from the company he partners with.

This will be the quickest way to get PokerStars to respond. Because if they do not respond to Daniel's questions, then they are not going to respond to anyone on Two Plus Two.

Going to have to trust "Deep Throat Info" on this one !!!!

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or pathetic.

Can I please get a cliff for dummies on how pokerstars are addressing the fact that some of their top golden promotion players kept this quiet thus being guilty by association. Thanks in advance.

PokerStars may indeed be addressing these facts in house (whatever that may mean) - but feel they do not owe Two Plus Two any sort of explanation.

Pokerstars if they get eventually questioned by any sort of governing authority that they must answer too, will chalk Two Plus Two off as a bunch of rogue internet kids. And provide their own in house security findings and added safe guards to whomever they feel they need to give this info too.

This is why the Poker Community should ask for Daniel Negreanu's helps (see my previous post). Because if a cover up is taking place, Daniel will not be okay with this based on his integrity stance he now has in life.

Again, Poker Stars is not going to address this issue with any sort of statement unless some pressure is put on them by someone like Negreanu. Think about this. Daniel has Senior Management's ear at PokerStars. if Daniel simply asked them what was going on, would they lie to Daniel ? (maybe, but I doubt it). It may be a company line that is relayed to Daniel to give to the Poker Community - but something (either from Daniel or PokerStars) directly would be given. They will not simply blow Daniel off like they are doing to Two Plus Two community.

No different then the WSOP (CIE) not responding officially to the HU Match cheating scandal - or the video of the dealer exposing cards. Senior Mgmt at these large Corporate companies do not respond to internet message boards.

So if you want answers from Poker Stars, Go to Daniel and have him get some for you.

Peace

Round two. I went deep in the main with Brian. Someone misses an ante and Brian starts talking about how its +ev for him to ante twice since he gets to maximize hands/hour and he is obviously the best player at the table plus he might shame the person who didn't ante into doing the right thing.

I make a comment about how he always wants to make sure people do the right thing which he laughs off. I ask if he is still unwilling to admit that he stole money from mutual friends of ours. He says something along the lines of "you are so smart and think you know everything. There is a lot you don't know. I wanted to talk to you about this but you ran away from me during the plo". I said you were the one who ran away from me to which he responds "I was playing the tournament and didn't have time to talk then".

It is folded to me on the button and I open. He keeps yelling at me saying I don't know anything about the situation while I'm in the pot. Pot ends and I tell him that if there is something I don't know about I'd love to hear it, but you asked people who were well respected for advice, they told you to stop cheating and make things right and you ignored them. At this point Brian calls for security and the floor and tries to get me thrown out of the tournament for verbally abusing him. Floor asks the dealer if I was being unreasonable. She says no. Floor tells us to both leave it alone.

After this someone started discussing Brian's future plans which included moving back to the East Coast. Brian said he wouldn't be playing online because the .NJ games don't run very big. I couldn't comment because getting a penalty on day 5 on the main would have sucked .

Guys... what if Brian (and possibly others) were told to "stay quiet" and not give any specifics on this matter by PokerStars. Maybe this is what Brian is hinting at when he keeps saying "you don't know the whole story".

I am not defending Brian in any shape or manner. But Brian may be doing exactly what either PokerStars (or yes his attorney) is advising him to do.

If you want Brian and others to speak as to what they really know (including admitting stuff they may have done themselves), it may be important to go to the top.... and that is PokerStars.... and how does the peasants of the poker community (us) get the attention of Senior Mgmt at PokerStars.... through Daniel Negreanu !!!!