Are we even sure they know now? Wouldn't be obvious be any actions they've taken.

its 100% obvious by the (non)"actions" theyve taken. they want it to GO AWAY. no business would have all these aspersions cast on them if they could can a few "pros" and look like super clean heros (see how fast NBC dumped trump or subway jerod). they think theyve got this thing locked up in house and they can weather the storm with no interaction with the poker community. and theyre prob right, they pay a lot of "pros" money so they can dump multiple buy ins in 10ks without a care in the world, these people arent gonna say a word if they arent fired (put up as a sacrificial lamb to the community) or deposed.

Brian Hastings is such a cheating scumbag....

I would assume Ike is probably untouchable PokerStars needs Ike more than he needs them and Brian is such a pos did he think by telling Jason & Ike what he was doing that it would make it alright? he should have kept his mouth shut and not told anyone, Ike and Jason should be pissed at Brian I'd smack him in the head if I was 1 of them look at the mess he's created even if they're good friends with him I'm starting to think they should have just ratted his dumb ass out from the beginning

Noel Hayes ‏@FakeNoelHayes 11m11 minutes ago

Hey @ViktorBlom, remember that 1 time I illegally used hand history & broke @PokerStars T&C to cheat u out of millions. Man that was awesome

Probably really Stinger because he's just that type of guy. He did it for poker!

Guy behind that twitter account is pretty dumb, it was FTP t+c that team cardrunners broke

yah it was FT but Amaya owns FT so I think thats why he @ PokerStars

Not at the time they did the cheating

wat

pokerstars doesn't need anyone more than anyone needs pokerstars. they have the monopoly

LOL Does Ike or any of the poker pro pros bring in a single deposit anymore? Whatever money is spent on them would be better spent signing up some "youtube star" to pimp the site.

If these Pros knew about the T&C abuse they should be immediately cut, if only for the impact on PStars ability to get licensed/keep their licenses (Assuming PStars itself did not know and turned a blind eye) as they seem to be more trouble than they are worth.

Whether Stars knew or not, canning all those big name pros is one way to ensure that it doesn't go away any time soon.

So if your thesis is that Stars is primarily interested in making this go away, I'm not really sure you can draw any conclusions by them not firing Ikes, et al.

agree. they are not getting enough bad publicity at this point, and the story is mostly fading into fat jokes.

Brian Hastings is a scammer and a thief.
Brian Hastings is a scammer and a thief.
Brian Hastings is a scammer and a thief.
Brian Hastings is a scammer and a thief.
Brian Hastings is a scammer and a thief.
Brian Hastings is a scammer and a thief.
Brian Hastings is a scammer and a thief.
Brian Hastings is a scammer and a thief.
Brian Hastings is a scammer and a thief.
Brian Hastings is a scammer and a thief.

(Getting ready to get stoned)

So to summarise: Brian Hastings is alleged to have been using a second account.

1) Although a person is not allowed to have multiple accounts on a site, "multi-accounting" is basically cheating when someone joins the same table or tournament with 2 accounts. Otherwise not really. It is just against the site regulations, but not cheating.

The real difference it makes is anonymity, which isn't a problem at all. As a matter of fact it would be wise to allow people to multi account in the face of the huge data mining going on IMO.

This anonymity would be attractive to any popular player for many reasons. And it is no wonder it has happened before exactly for this reason.

My question is why don't sites allow multi-accounting for anyone with their own personal details on all accounts anyway?

2) So Hastings' crime is not letting you know who he is. He doesn't have to really. That is the whole point of wanted to stay ANONYMOUS, right?

So the real issue is of "moral" nature.

He didn't sit with 2 accounts in the same table or tournament. He didn't PURPOSIVELY go after specific people so that he would play back at them. He happened to come across one player as far as stated sofar. As a matter of fact he did admit it when he didn't have to, and offered to compensate people anyway when he didn't have to.

So what is the problem? A guy beating people on the table playing poker fair and square?

I am not defending Brian Hastings, just arguing some points here.

3) That said, putting together
- Allegedly violating terms on multi-accounting
- Allegedly playing with VPN in a country where he is not allowed to play
- Allegedly having purchased hand histories in the past
Certainly is more than enough cheating and his account should have been suspended and money confiscated already just like everyone else's is if all this is true.

what?

Is it fair when he's played tons of hands with some players and he knows how they play but they have no idea that they're playing Hastings? Is it fair if they knew that it was Hastings playing they would've left the game? That's FRAUD right there. He has a huge advantage and he knows it, it's not "fair and square".

I meant lol about him wanting to play " with good people."

Hard to claim it is 'alleged' when there is solid evidence which shows he was doing just that. The man admitted to another player, via PM ( a PM he later tried to have erased LOL ) that he was using a second account. What more does anybody need?

Therefore, if he was doing this, while playing in the U.S. then saying he 'allegedly' used a VPN is also debunked.

He did sit Viktor to play HU from what I have gathered, so not saying he targeted specific players is also WRONG.

You say, " its just against the sites regulations, but it is not cheating. " Ok, this makes ZERO sense to me. If it is against THEIR T & C, if you are breaking it, then it is cheating. What is the debate? As far as PS is concerned, if they say you cannot do it and you insist on doing it, then you are in fact cheating. No debate there.

You also say 'anonymity is not a problem at all'

Well, yes, it kind of is when you are stealing the identity of an existing player and sitting at a table representing yourself as that person. Especially unethical when the name you are using is known as a 'below average/lesser quality/' player. One that other top players, would seek out in order to sit with. Thus giving you plenty of action.

You also say that Hastings commits no crime because he just wants to remain anonymous and it is his right.

I cannot even type any more of this...I am just scrolling down the rest of your post and you are stating that he played ' fair and square '

I do not even see how you can say you are arguing some points because almost everything you typed is not even correct and it seems like you did not even read the thread.

^ don't feed the trolls

you forgot cheater

@lossisfutile

Unsure if troll but a crucial detail you conveniently miss is that he took a sizeable chunk of side bet WSOP action when those betting were unaware of his recent playing/success.

This significantly changes the playing field and is pretty bad

With all the stuff that has went down in the poker world over the past several years, I don't see how Hastings is getting torn down so much.

He basically got reads from other players and used someone else's account to play from within the US which led to other people not knowing who he is.

On 2+2, people exchange reads with other players all the time. Anyone who has ever gotten coaching while playing at mid stakes and above has gotten reads from their coaches. Their opponents are essentially playing someone different than they think they are playing.

With all the scummy things going on in poker right now... this doesn't seem like the huge deal that you guys are making it out to be.

That's not true.

Many coaches and students worked out a system where the student would record a session -- typically 4 tables.

Then they would play the session with teamviewer and discuss tricky spots based on the players reads and whatever stats they had up in their HUD.

It doesn't make sense to discuss the tricky spots based on the coaches reads when doing it this way, because the coach really is trying to evaluate and improve the players thought process.