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Originally Posted by Two SHAE
I want to first say that I am not commenting on the Stinger = NoelHayes thing, because I know absolutely nothing about it besides what has appeared in this thread/twitter.
However, this post by Zima (and some others but picking this one out) is nothing but sour grapes. You do realize that you are literally complaining that you booked a bet based on the information you had, when there was more information out there that would have changed your perception of the EV of your bet. LOL. Welcome to professional gambling and the real world (this happens all the time in financial markets)! Everyone is seeking an edge, and the fact is one person is getting exploited. This time, it was you. You're trying to exploit him being rusty, so why can't he exploit you for assuming you know more than you do? Seems silly and arbitrary to me where you are allowed to try to hustle someone, but they can't do the same to you. Brian didn't offer these bets to lose money or break even.
Unfortunately, there isn't a term sheet that goes into handshake bets or bets "booked" on Twitter that says both parties need to disclose all information about their skills that are relevant to the bet.
There is nothing unfair about betting that you're better at something than someone else thinks you are. In general this is why I don't make bets like this. You are at a huge information disadvantage.
There are things WAY worse for your EV than him playing in Stars big games. For example, he could have gained access to a GTO solution (HU) or GTO approximation (ring) to any/all of the limit games, and could have spent the last 3 months playing against bots to make sure he either remembered what to do or had enough intuition to make the correct play in all spots. Should he have to disclose this before betting? Absolutely not, IMO. If Ike plays someone in PLO, does he have to tell them all of the software he uses off the table to fine-tune his strategy?
Now I also want to say that, if you would have asked him "Brian, have you played any high stakes mixed games recently? I will only book this bet if you haven't" and he replied "No, I haven't played any high stakes mixed games in 3 months," then this changes things. If that conversation ever took place, feel free to inform us.
And what do you know... another thread with vinivici bashing Cardrunners/Taylor/etc.
i generally agree with this post. (not entirely though)
thats why i posted saying "i liked my side, so i bet". its on me to know this stuff when i bet.
still feels scummy to me when brian has been playing on a dif name. if he played on his real name and i saw him playing everyday during scoop, i am not sure if i make the bet (he did lay odds, so i might have bet regardless). but my horse would surely have been playing with him some and known if the price was right/good to bet on. brian has a ton more info then me (in terms of how good my horse plays etc) and my horse has no way to know how brian plays. i know i know, maybe i got hustled? but again, feels scummy when brian uses a dif name and i have no way of knowing.