Bad news. As quoted in white man can't jump. It's man code. A man does not ask for his money back. Why can't the effected parties hash it out? If I got cheated would it be 150 pages on here? No! No need to make a big issue of this. I am sure every gambler has been cheated at one time or another.

Other members of the elite HS inner circle are obviously those most directly affected by Hastings' actions, and that would likely be the most +EV short term play for them.

However, this thread is about poker players who are not in the elite HS circle actually giving a **** about the integrity and long term health of the game.

That's why guys like Bakes deserve props.

This isn't true at all. People hated on Brian based on his delusional and deflective responses, not solely based on his cheating.

The irony this summer is that BH seemed to be on the right track distancing himself from some of the unadulterated scum in poker. Unfortunately BH ran in a circle with poker players and gamblers that placed no value on integrity and ethics. Finally he finds a decent girlfriend and some friends not looking to use him but he has the skeleton of his online MAing come to the forefront.

But BH has no one to blame for this problem but himself. What he should do is come completely clean and do whatever I necessary to rehabilitate his image. That would entail contrition and meeting with the players most affected while making those players whole. Whole would encompass what is mutually agreed upon. This would only involve the HS cash players as playing in tourneys on PokerStars as Noel Hayes should not affect most tourney players.

The question is does BH want to rehabilitate his image. It would appear he is not doing well with the attacks in this forum, on twitter and in person. As a result he has shut down on social media per well heeded advice and laying low while concentrating on playing poker. That is his best option for now and he can undertake damage control after the WSOP.

So, let me get this straight. It's you and the 4 horsemen.

I only have 1 question. Have you and any of your 'horses' ever played at the same table online?

This has already been covered.....

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Lol. So people are suppose to believe that backers and horses play the same tables all the time, but since there is a standard of ethics and high morality and integrity at high stakes there is never any shady **** going on.

I call bull****.

everyone else does wrong, so i will too!

Well having read most pages of this thread over time, one thing really springs to mind and that is; what about the law abiding 'real pros' who have actually re-located to another country, such is their love of the game, (and of course the fact they make seriously good money) i am sure that lots of them share the same feelings Brian gave for wanting to stay and play, but they got off their arses and did the deed. Ike comes to mind, who would want to move to Malta under Ikes' circumstances (great parents, dad Brookes seems a really good bloke, mum, and wifeys family,and given Ike is not short of money either,and wifeys agreeing to leave US also factored into,) seems Ike sacrificed a lot to leave as did The Moshmans, Collin and wife Katie Dozier, they even had pets they had to take with them and they did the hard yards required, there are many more too numerous to mention here, (and given that i am unaware of their names in general but seems Noel wants best of both worlds whilst sitting Stateside. Hmmm i wonder if anybody in the US Govt is aware of his blatant violation yet? no doubt a dime will get dropped on him by someone who was/is incensed with the Isildur carry on and fact the kid was ganged up on and raped of his loot, yet no one was legally accountable for such larceny (prolly Grand at that,certainly $$$ value was Grand) and now this blot on his cred has/will put said do-gooder in dime dropping mode, hmm, under US law is stinger culpable of much, and could someone from the US please explain what and if, would be cool to ascertain.

Close, but alas, nooo cee-gar sir!

Theres a Quad Jacks podcast with Mike Matusow Daniel Negreanu, Matt Savage, Srsly Serious, and mad Marco where this subject came up, Matusow started laughing uncontrollably when citing John Juanda had staked Mike in same tourny and Mouth was getting short and shoved,Juanda made the only call, and he called lite, busted Mike, so mouth asked him why he called, and Juanda replied...." I like to bust my horse"...the Mouth really cracked up laughing when he recited this to the listeners, and i see his point, Daniel went on to tell some story of Meng the Masters exploits with his horses, and how Meng had to go easy on young guys from his homeland as they were invariably in a gang and were not shy to tell Meng in their tongue that he better not bust them or else, basically.Daniel tells one where he himself staked a guy and the guy took it easy on him with AA, after the hand Daniel told him to just basically,...put your head down and bet em up son, don't worry about the fact i staked you, go for it! So there are numerous 'plays' out there with horses, naturally, as you would expect. After all, there are humans involved here.

Staying quiet immediately after this thread started would have been damage control. The best strategy would have been:
1) Be quiet immediately after this thread begins, he has 48 hours.
2) Issue some generalized explanation after thinking it over (with some assistance).
3) State his intention to focus on the rest of the series and be quiet again after his one time statement. This buys him a lot more time.
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This is a good example why to not act rash and send private incriminating missives and whatnot. At this point he has to figure out the varying degrees of problems he will face and choose the least painful strategy. His silence at this point works against him tbh and further erodes any credibility he could likely save.

his best option would have been to handle it the way durrr has his hu challenge

fyp

Man, I'm like 40 pages behind and too busy for this.

Did anything happen since page 85-ish?

Bunch of pussies itt that aren't going to do a damn thing about it anyway.

it's the art of the hustle and you all got got.

This thread is now about 8-Game and his horses.

You mean the .25% of the people who this actually affects? The rest are just stirring the pot for no reason.

Using a VPN is not against Pokerstars TOS. Using a VPN to get around the geographical restrictions is against PS TOS. It's pretty easy to detect with a high degree of accuracy that someone is using a VPN. Detecting their true location is more difficult.

PokerStars doesn't list VPNs as a prohibited software/service.

People have reported that PS told them that using a VPN is okay: there's no reason for VPN usage to break the TOS

The PS agreement with the DOJ doesn't mention VPNs.

PokerStars is prohibited from offering online poker in the U.S. for real money unless and until it is legal to do so under U.S. law.

I frequently play connected to a VPN. I have a number of connections I use for legitimate business and frequently forget I'm connected and start a poker session.

I however don't live in the US and don't connect to the US or any other restricted site. I've never heard boo from Stars about it, usually disconnect when I notice but have definitely played a large number of long sessions while connected to a different country.

To those who think that Stars "knew" about this long ago, I ask: What do they have to gain by not acting swiftly?

And most of the talk about regulation is so the players have some way to hold the sites accountable for cash-outs and game integrity. Wouldn't this be a case for regulation from the sites benefit, as they really have no recourse if the money is cashed out already?

I played via vpn from thailand.

B4hand dropped support a message if this is ok. Direct reply, no problem unless i play in countries im not supposed to.

2 days later my account is frozen and i have a msg from support to explain why im playing via vpn and to provide actual bills of the place im currently living. I send them resto bill from thailand and account is reopened.
My avg stake that time was nl200 and im around for ages.

Makes one wonder why this exact procedure doesnt happen when a new acc randomly starts playing sky stakes...

because of that. He didnt.