We could bust out some truth tables to prove there is no flawed logic. He was angling and Hastings was angling.

I'm confused. Are you saying you wouldn't have entered your horses in tournaments if Hastings was in the field? Or just the cash games where you thought he was the mark?

People angling for reimbursement are way worse than doing what Hastings did imo. All the accounts that won off of the NH account are going to give that money back right?

So much ado about nothing. Spend your time trying to legalize and regulate us online poker. Getting into a bar with a fake id is worse than this.

You're either a troll or should never post again.

perhaps this derail can stop now.

it could. but he answered

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so he didnt say no...and he can't lie bc if he's going to ask for reimbursement bh will look and see if these people played at the same table/colluded.

but dont tell anyone else in the games otherwise they will become unjustifiably paranoid and suspicious.

vanessa had indicated, in one of her screeds, possibly before editing, that VPNing, MAing, amongst american players in the HS community is common knowledge amongst HS pros, NO?

And I already said that she owes nothing to the poker community in this regard, i consider it a players right to sit down shut up and play, they dont need to answer a questionnaire about secrets their friends have told them.

I would think her employer would believe shes owes it to them to tell them what she knows about any TOS violations that might be going on at their site especially ones which may tangentially benefit her or cause any conflict of interest. I also clearly said that I dont think vanessa would hide this information from her employer, in fact Im positing that its highly likely that HS pros "in the know" did tell pokerstars management and it was pokerstars that slow walked this information. This is why after the shyt has hit the fan there have been NO SUSPENSIONS of HS sponsored pros who exist in this tiny HS community and had the "lol common knowledge of what everyone is doing duh". POKERSTARS KNEW.

There's a difference between an employer/employee relationship, and a mere sponsorship. The idea that there's any report-TOS-violations-to-us-immediately requirement, either in their contract or undocumented-but-informally-understood, seems really far-fetched and silly to me.

well youd be wrong, guy...

https://www.pokerstars.com/team-poke...am-online-faq/

Conspiracy theories without evidence itt

there is no conspiracy theory. What did stars know and when did they know it?

Theres only two realistic possibilities:

1) They never knew. mr. amaya woke up, saw this thread, and exclaimed, "im shocked, shocked to know theres americans VPNing and MAin the HS games at my site! Wait what?? my sponsored pros knew and kept it secret clearly in violation of their contract which is outlined on the stars site, THEYRE FIRED!"

(but where are the firings???? maybe they start tomorrow)

2) They Knew. No one has been fired because they were told, in writing. This sweater will continue to unravel as the rats scurry....

Let's also throw out that Stars is doing nothing about the (obvious) bots at 200 zoom. This multiaccounting thing isn't the only thing they're totally failing at the moment that is calling into question their gaming integrity.

Limon,

Stars obviously knows there are VPNers and MAers that play, they catch them all the time. Just because a select few of the HS community gets away with it doesn't mean it is rampant across the entire site.

Your original accusation post is riddled with the word "likely". You can make connections all you want, but without any proof all you have is a conspiracy theory.

limon ur 15 minutes were over 5 years ago

The amount of name calling going on in here is ridiculous. Next one gets to sit in the time out chair for a day or two.

Can't be bothered scrolling back to find quotes but this needs addressed.

There is no issue with a backer having several horses in a cash game. You can't just assume that everyone is colluding.

I've played tens of thousands of hands in games with my backer and with other horses from the same stable. If anything I actually try and outplay them more than any other fish/reg.

It's pretty obvious that it's very difficult for Stars to catch someone using a VPN if the person doing it is very good at it

Suggesting they knew and did nothing about it seems pretty unlikely.

Horses backed by same player playing at same table is allowed. Only thing that isnt allowed is backers playing in same games as their horses. This derail is beyond stupid.

Where does it say horses can't play the same games as backers?

Stinger's flair for angle-shooting and cheating is starting to reach Borovetz levels of pathology.

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there isnt a problem with backers playing in same games as horses, as long as both players arent scum!

This. It seems to me like whenever I logged in for the first time from a location where it's legal to play for real money, Stars sent a warning about spoofing location and I'd have to click something like I AGREE to agree that I'm wherever it says I am before it lets me do real money play.

This means any time someone does this -- every instance where they do it -- is another count of fraud.

They have to keep elaborate IP records to deal with situations like this one, I'd have to believe.

Here's the flip side of that: people use VPN's just to protect their privacy. I use one all the time as an added security measure, too. Unless you track people's physical movements against their logins, how can this even be proven?

I guess if I were building a case against a high stakes poker pro who was accused of multi-accounting and playing for real money using a VPN, this is what I'd be looking into.

haha +1

@ 6max hypers pokerstars security asked the high volume/big stable backers to provide a list of players they staked and those backers were not allowed to play in the same games as their horses. My backer and I had to split lobbies or bi lvls during WCOOP last yr and a bit this yr

Backers who were found to be going around this rule were apparently going to get in a lot of trouble. I'm sure some didn't provide a list of all their players, but for most part, I think the rule has been abided by.