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06-29-2015 , 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
An interesting and in-depth take on the scandal (and poker culture in general) is offered by James Obst (aka 'Andy_McLEOD', winner of titles in SCOOP, TCOOP and WCOOP): http://calvinayre.com/2015/06/29/pok...-hear-by-obst/

Highlight: "I’m not sure if you’d call it cheating or just pure scum."
+1 It's a must read! Well done James Obst
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06-29-2015 , 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
An interesting and in-depth take on the scandal (and poker culture in general) is offered by James Obst (aka 'Andy_McLEOD', winner of titles in SCOOP, TCOOP and WCOOP): http://calvinayre.com/2015/06/29/pok...-hear-by-obst/

Highlight: "I’m not sure if you’d call it cheating or just pure scum."
holy ****, he won close to a mil on the NH account?

edit: this article is extremely well put. manages to summarize so many of poker's issues in just a few key points/observations

Last edited by vinivici9586; 06-29-2015 at 12:55 AM.
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06-29-2015 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by JustBetter89
+1 It's a must read! Well done James Obst
A lot of the Obst article hit home with me, great read..

Copy pasted from the article - “What happens, is this filters down. It’s a shame that in life it seems to require a shocking tragedy for people to gain perspective and stop focusing on themselves for just a moment. The unfortunate reality is that in the poker world there are a LOT of people at the bottom, struggling for money, health, you name it. Seriously, all of the people Brian Hastings casts aside as ‘sociopathic strangers on the internet’ are likely people who have been dealt a worse hand than him in life, are trying desperately to get out but are having difficulty. There are a lot more people doing it hard in this game than there are people at the top with thousands of twitter followers. Many of them emulate the big names – airing their lives and frustrations over social media; others stay quiet and internalize.

Hi, my name is Bryan, I’m that guy at the bottom.

Also this ““The point I’m slowly getting at is that these feelings in the less successful, derived from the behavior of the most successful, are absolutely toxic to health. It translates as chronic mental stress. I shudder to guess what the percentage of long-term poker players who have at some stage experienced clinical depression would be – 40%? It could be a lot higher. I would be amazed if another industry had a higher percentage. This is a huge amount of players and unfortunately the culture that has been created by those at the top, of self-adulation and egocentricity is what is destroying poker more than anything else. There’s a reason that good people turn to shady acts like multi-accounting over time – they lose perspective of their values because it seems like no one around them gives a flog about anyone but themselves.

Sorry mods if I’m not supposed to copy paste this please delete my bad.
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06-29-2015 , 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by vinivici9586
holy ****, he won close to a mil on the NH account?

edit: this article is extremely well put. manages to summarize so many of poker's issues in just a few key points/observations
I think he ment from the Bracelet bets. The NH account, according to High stakes DB is only up 100k ish
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06-29-2015 , 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by JustBetter89
+1 It's a must read! Well done James Obst
Excellent article about the state of poker with James Obst. He succinctly puts into perspective what Hastings has done regarding on-line poker. He has first hand knowledge as he played SCOOP with him and thought it was Noel Hayes.
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06-29-2015 , 01:12 AM
http://www.highstakesdb.com/profiles...ttyBanker.aspx It was mentioned earlier ITT that it's rumoured he played on this account too, at full tilt. Sorry if I'm derailing or repeating mods.
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06-29-2015 , 01:40 AM
Yes ofc he was on that account, pretty obvious
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06-29-2015 , 01:50 AM
Did Ivey and Dwan know it was Hastings? It would appear very likely that this was a MA or VPN just based on the account status going from zip to HS. Undoubtedly they would have to think it was a high roller using the account.
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06-29-2015 , 02:34 AM
Hastings and Hellmuth playing basketball earlier today, I wonder what Hellmuth has to say about what Brian did lol and all Brian has done the past month is brag about how well he is doing at the WSOP on social media, please anyone but him win the One Drop! everyone that plays with him from now on ever should refer to him as Noel, not Stinger/Brian/Hastings/Cheeseburger boy just Noel.
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06-29-2015 , 02:50 AM
villain is near CL of one-drop high-roller

http://www.wsop.com/tournaments/chip...1136&tid=14258
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06-29-2015 , 03:30 AM
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There seems to be a pathological need for most poker players to receive attention, validation etc. now and I’ll admit that it peeves me to be a part of an industry where the majority are so self-serving.

“It’s rare to meet a pretty female poker player who doesn’t feel the need to make and post selfie after selfie across social media, do photo shoots etc. whether the motives are sponsorship related, to befriend top players, or just to enjoy an attention bath (how do you think this impacts the females who may be interested in poker who weren’t as naturally blessed with beauty?). I actually find it quite special when I get to meet someone who doesn’t fall in with any of the aforementioned traits.
http://calvinayre.com/2015/06/29/pok...-hear-by-obst/

tooo true
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06-29-2015 , 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by vinivici9586
interview in awesome article above throws some shade at hellmuth, and look at this gem from today

Mustapha Kanit raises from the small blind and Phil Hellmuth puts in a three-bet from the big blind. Kanit calls and they see a flop of KJJ . Kanit checks and Hellmuth bets 38,000. Kanit check-raises to 81,000 and Hellmuth goes into the tank. Hellmuth asks Kanit how much he started the hand with and then double checks his hole cards.
After about 90 seconds in the tank, Hellmuth announces a raise and puts out 125,000. He asks the dealer to pull in the 81,000 and gives a visual to Kanit that it is 44,000 more to call. Kanit calls and the turn is the 4x . Kanit checks and Hellmuth bets 150,000. Kanit check-calls and the dealer peels off 2x the on the river. Both players check.
"King is good," said Hellmuth without turning his hand over.
Kanit shows K9o and Hellmuth mucks his hand.
"Why do we try and bluff the amateurs," said Hellmuth after the hand. "They are going to give you 500K with a king and no kicker."
"I traveled a long way to play the tournament," said Kanit. "I just want to enjoy myself and play some hands."
"I'm not mad at you," said Hellmuth. "I'm mad at myself. You keep doing what you're doing and I'll keep doing what I'm doing. I bust people who play king-nine."
Mustapha Kanit - 1,010,000
Phil Hellmuth - 260,000
LOL at Hellmuth, ok I have a Hellmuth story that I should have shared in 1 of the Hellmuth threads but haven't nothing crazy but in 2011 when he was making all those final tables and had like 11/12 bracelets me and my 3 friends (3 of us was 1st time at WSOP) watched him lose heads up to Rast i believe after he already had 1 or 2 2nd places that year so he was visibly distraught it was like 3am his wife was consoling him as was JRB & Huck who came to rail and there was only a handful of people still around watching so he would seen us there for a good 1-2hours watching so after he busts he hangs around to talk to those 2 for a little bit then Phil & his wife finally go to leave, well my 3friends are major poker fanboys LOL! (think live tournament pro's like Hellmuth are the nuts) so my 1 friend has a deck of cards and the 3 of them think this is the right time to call out to Phil and ask him to sign a pair of black 99's...LOL! so anyways my buddy calls out to Phil as he walked by looked at us nodding his head sort of acknowledging us as we had been watching so Phil/his wife stop and my buddy walked over a few feet to Phil says bad luck or whatever and then asks Phil to sign the black 99's and he does! then as they turn to walk out the door and we turned to walk away Phil stops and says "hey guys" loudly enuff for us to hear we stop turn around and he walk towards us and dapped us all up..knuckles! and asks us where we are from & chats for a few mins with us then tells us "GL in the series!"
Lol i couldn't believe it after this happened, we all were like no1 back home is gonna believe this, my friend said he lost the cards but i still have the picture of them saved on my computer..sometimes i wonder how much those autographed black 99's by Phil Hellmuth would get on Ebay LOL

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06-29-2015 , 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by gostatego

Also boggles my mind how many people are so opinionated/furious about this situation and at Brian without having anything to do with it.
If you play online poker with any frequency at all, then this directly involves you.

The quotes from the Andy McLeod article seem spot on, though can't access the full article atm. I wonder how many people will say he is being short sighted, over-reacting or is simply a jealous hater?

More known players need to take a deep breath, find their balls and make a comment like this. The fact that most haven't/won't is pretty sad.

Last edited by fivetypes; 06-29-2015 at 04:21 AM. Reason: Phrasing
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06-29-2015 , 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by tultfill
So you wouldn't call the cops on her if she slipped a drug into your drink that rendered you unconscious and you woke up next morning in a hotel room with a screwdriver up your butt?

And you wouldn't call the cops on her if she beat you into a bloody pulp and then humped you before choking you out?

Let's face it. By rape you mean rough consensual sex. Because you wouldn't protest if she tried to force herself on you which means it wouldn't be rape.
WOW!! You're a wild man I was going for the victimless crime angle. Maybe I should have just gone with a hacker putting money into my bank account.
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06-29-2015 , 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Loctus
Yes ofc he was on that account, pretty obvious
Yeah well its not fact until he admits it. Forementioned posts in the thread suggest it may not have been only him using the account! Best to link it now before they get the stats of both accounts blocked on HSDB.
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06-29-2015 , 04:40 AM
He admitted to it me that he was playing on the BigNittyBanker account. For whatever it's worth.
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06-29-2015 , 04:50 AM
There is no discussion to be had over wether BigNittyBanker is or isn't Noel Hayes' FTP account. It just is. No one would ever deny it. Hastings wouldn't deny it if asked about it. It's the most obvious conclusion to draw ever.
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06-29-2015 , 04:51 AM
I am so hoping Hastings ships the one drop, just so people in this thread just lose their ****.. that would be so great
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06-29-2015 , 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by sidecar
I am so hoping Hastings ships the one drop, just so people in this thread just lose their ****.. that would be so great
ditto. always awkward when he's mentioned on the wsop stream.
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06-29-2015 , 05:34 AM
Obst hits the nail right on the head. Perfect summary of the situation.

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“Offering to reimburse select players arbitrary amounts of money after failing in attempts to cover it up, and having possibly won seven figures in that timeframe, is not contrition, nor deserving of kudos. Ironically a lot of such scandals over my time in the game played out similarly – the player involved goes into damage control (because they actually care what people think while saying they don’t), but doesn’t show any genuine remorse because they did what they did as a result of some rationalization of why it wasn’t that bad in the first place – that belief is unlikely to change. The ‘others are doing it’ justification is all some people see.”
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06-29-2015 , 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Monorail
The 3 regulated US markets use Geocomply geolocation technology, which works rather well, all things considered. There's never going to be a foolproof way to make sure that the person sitting in front of a computer is actually the account holder, but adopting Geocomply would be a major impediment to MA'ing. It geolocates the device you're playing on using visible WiFi networks, rendering a simple VPN to spoof your IP useless.

Doubt PS would employ it voluntarily in markets where they don't have to, because as reasonably effective as it is, it's still an impediment to gameplay (read: generating rake). And it still suffers from annoying false-positives. But hey: if you're serious about being an industry leader in game integrity, as PS claims to be, maybe this is one instance where you say "you know what: this is going to be a minor hit to our rake revenue and is going to introduce a frustrating experience for a small # of players, but this is what a grown-up, responsible, online poker entity does: they make decisions that cost them small amounts of money to protect the long-term integrity of the game."

Let's be clear: there's no magic bullet that's going to eliminate 100% of MA, collusion, bots, and all of the other ills that currently plague our game. And f**k Brian Hastings. But let's start to think more holistically about this, and stay open-minded to a process of incremental improvements that, slowly but surely, close loopholes and throw up obstacles to poker scumminess.
I hate geolocation for most players.

It is bad enough that an ex, a disgruntled work colleague, my boss, my wife or a potential employer can via a datamining site track my play, when I play, stakes I play, amount I lose/win...I already give up a lot of personal privacy to play online, I really don't need my precise geolocation locked up in Stars servers and broadcast whenever I play accross the Internet for those nice guys at GCHQ to have access to as well.

Now I get that it works for some US states promising to no let players in other states play but for me - No thanks. Having said that geolocation for high stakes, for that small player pool...sure why not? Still will not stop the remote PC but at least they would know where the remote PC is so it would need to match the player ID details not a server farm or a home address where just by accident a half dozen others happen to be playing too, either at the same time or using a shared setup.
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06-29-2015 , 05:49 AM
man that was great, well done Obst
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06-29-2015 , 05:52 AM
Obst real smart imo
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06-29-2015 , 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by TouchOfEVil
Obst real smart imo
Balancing the range of people with bst at the end of their surnames
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