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Brian "Stinger88" Hastings Multi-Accounting as "NoelHayes" Cliffs in first post. Brian "Stinger88" Hastings Multi-Accounting as "NoelHayes" Cliffs in first post.

06-28-2015 , 09:20 PM
negreanu needs to recruit hastings for choice center
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06-28-2015 , 09:48 PM
no el hay es
is the owner of the account spanish speaking by any chance?
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06-28-2015 , 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by MastaAces
no el hay es
is the owner of the account spanish speaking by any chance?
No Him ThereIs Is? lol
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06-28-2015 , 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by paletokio
No Him ThereIs Is? lol
i don't speak spanish but i recognized spanish words when i broke the name down. google translate told me it means "there is not". disappointed.
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06-28-2015 , 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by pocket_zeros
Details here:
http://www.wsop.com/tournaments/upda...over-a-mllion/

Ivey should've retorted by asking Brian if he's already registered for the 1k under an alias.
https://twitter.com/pratyushbuddiga/...64528633217024
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06-28-2015 , 10:29 PM
BH should be permabanned, as should any other player caught MA'ing. Also, the owner/seller/renter of the account and any middlemen should be banned. Of course, it will be much harder to prove who the middlemen are.

If Pokerstars/Amaya chooses to selectively enforce the rules, that is a huge problem. Stars's reputation for providing a platform for fair games is at stake.
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06-28-2015 , 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by gostatego


Bottom line is if he was doing it With the objective to steal equity he would have done it as annonomously as possible and that is clearly not what he did.
I agree that it probably wasn't his primary motive, but the results for players like me is the same. And he should still be held accountable.

He basically said "I wan't to play online from the U.S and if I have to **** over some people to do it then I don't really care"
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06-28-2015 , 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by MastaAces
no el hay es
is the owner of the account spanish speaking by any chance?
He no here.
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06-28-2015 , 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Cinarocket
beware BH is blocking anyone on twitter that does any allusion or joke about him cheating
i wonder if he can block out those shouts when it's directly in his face. anyone want to join me in bothering this cheating scumbag?
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06-28-2015 , 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by nit3.runn3r
Tell us how you really feel.
i would but then i'd get banned from 2p2.
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06-28-2015 , 10:41 PM
Does anyone else believe that if WSOP WPT EPT... Etc etc would step up and ban these cheaters along with stars, that the cheating would subside a little bit?
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06-28-2015 , 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Land Of The Free?
Actually, this is directly contradicted by several players saying he clearly purposely made fishy plays early during sessions to make it more believable that he was indeed the huge fish the account initially belonged to.

And that's what I really have a problem with, because it shows that there was a clear intent to deceive and that he was absolutely aware of the advantages he was deriving from MA'ing.

And honestly, even without that anecdotal evidence, to think that someone of the intelligence of Stinger (IQ/reasoning skills wise) would not realize the strategic implications of doing something like this is beyond delusional.

All this being said, I don't think it's a coincidence that Brian turns out to be the catalyst for the opening of the Pandora's Box Chuck mentioned in his excellent and depressing post.
Brian is pretty much the archetype of the guy people love to go after (I'm not excusing his behavior and his defense has definitely been terrible).

I think people are disagreeing on this issue because (as usual) they are debating from two different perspectives (grossly speaking):

One is the absolute ethical point of view of MA'ing, VPN'ing, etc...

The other is the relative gravity of BH's offence compared to what's really going on in HS games.

Clearly, from several HS players' reaction itt (Jungleman's comes to mind especially), this is indeed the very tip of the iceberg, and I think Brian, knowing this very well, feels that it's unfair he's getting so much flack for a minor offence relative to the reality of the HS landscape, whereas most of NVG, oblivious to that reality, considers his offence terrible and inacceptable.
I don't condone what Brian did. I think he handled himself about as poorly as possible.

I find it difficult to put a lot of weight into players saying he made specifically fishy plays. I think most random accounts playing the highest stakes are going to be assumed to be fishy by default.

Now it comes out that it is Brian and "oh yeah Noel was really fishy at first"

His mistake was minimizing his risk by playing anonymously at the expense of his opponents equity

Also boggles my mind how many people are so opinionated/furious about this situation and at Brian without having anything to do with it.
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06-28-2015 , 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by everydaygrind
i would but then i'd get banned from 2p2.
Have two accounts
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06-28-2015 , 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by sandman201
Does anyone else believe that if WSOP WPT EPT... Etc etc would step up and ban these cheaters along with stars, that the cheating would subside a little bit?
the only thing that would stop these cheaters (and not just brian cause as shown IN THIS THREAD, he's not the only one) is a complete black-ball from poker AND JAIL+FINES.

it's funny, we (2p2) raked justin bonomo over the coals when he multi-accounted and that was back in the time when A TON of people were doing it. he got his funds seized on both pokerstars AND party poker (please correct me if i'm wrong) and did a ton of repairing on his image and today he is a great guy for poker (hopefully this is still the case)

Here we are in 2015 and a known high-stakes reg who already had a cheating/shady past NOT ONLY Multi-accounted, but accessed a site he is NOT ALLOWED to play on IN THE USA.

I don't really give a **** what you think of the law. The law ****ing sucks massive donkey dicks. Tons of people lost their livelihood. A TON of players Had many thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) FROZEN because of FTP's mismanagement of funds.

You don't like the law? Go Change it. Don't break it.

But of course, to narcissistic pieces of **** like this scumbucket coward, he thinks the rules don't apply to him and of course, he gets ****ing rewarded.

**** him and **** anyone defending him.

**** you Brian Hastings for proving to the general public what they thought of poker players was correct.

**** YOU.
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06-28-2015 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by everydaygrind
the only thing that would stop these cheaters (and not just brian cause as shown IN THIS THREAD, he's not the only one) is a complete black-ball from poker AND JAIL+FINES.

it's funny, we (2p2) raked justin bonomo over the coals when he multi-accounted and that was back in the time when A TON of people were doing it. he got his funds seized on both pokerstars AND party poker (please correct me if i'm wrong) and did a ton of repairing on his image and today he is a great guy for poker (hopefully this is still the case)

Here we are in 2015 and a known high-stakes reg who already had a cheating/shady past NOT ONLY Multi-accounted, but accessed a site he is NOT ALLOWED to play on IN THE USA.

I don't really give a **** what you think of the law. The law ****ing sucks massive donkey dicks. Tons of people lost their livelihood. A TON of players Had many thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) FROZEN because of FTP's mismanagement of funds.

You don't like the law? Go Change it. Don't break it.

But of course, to narcissistic pieces of **** like this scumbucket coward, he thinks the rules don't apply to him and of course, he gets ****ing rewarded.

**** him and **** anyone defending him.

**** you Brian Hastings for proving to the general public what they thought of poker players was correct.

**** YOU.
How did he break the law again?
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06-28-2015 , 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by chinamaniac
How did he break the law again?
He broke a TOS written by a bunch of suits, making billions a year on our back, that give us no respect.
In the USA, this constitute breaking the law as if its not in the law it will be added to suit the fatcats.
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06-28-2015 , 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by kaytor
I agree that it probably wasn't his primary motive, but the results for players like me is the same. And he should still be held accountable.

He basically said "I wan't to play online from the U.S and if I have to **** over some people to do it then I don't really care"
No kaytor you are mistaken. He bought or was given the account because it was a businessman/race horse owners. Further more, from what my friends and I could gather(we rail HS everyday) he porposly played fishy at the start of games(this has been mentioned several times ITT btw) to fain an image and paint a false picture of being the above said businessman in hopes to deceive players. You included!! It's obvious to me that you haven't read the the whole thread, I suggest that you go and do it when convenient. P.S His avatar has a f#ck*ng horse!!!
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06-28-2015 , 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Dwimmerlaike
Have two accounts
Excuse me but are you condoning MAing?
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06-28-2015 , 11:21 PM
http://www.wsop.com/m/update/Q6J/bri...over-a-mllion/ Wow this guy has no respect, even for 'arguably' the greatest all around player. This is way past arrogance!! Grrrr
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06-28-2015 , 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by JustBetter89
http://www.wsop.com/m/update/Q6J/bri...over-a-mllion/ Wow this guy has no respect, even for 'arguably' the greatest all around player. This is way past arrogance!! Grrrr
worst part is the "everyone laughing" one imho.
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06-28-2015 , 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 5=2+2
Excuse me but are you condoning MAing?
No. Was a joke.

I've thought Hastings was a scumbag since he screwed Isildur all those years ago.

Sadly it seems karma hasn't came around yet.
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06-29-2015 , 12:09 AM
An interesting and in-depth take on the scandal (and poker culture in general) is offered by James Obst (aka 'Andy_McLEOD', winner of titles in SCOOP, TCOOP and WCOOP): http://calvinayre.com/2015/06/29/pok...-hear-by-obst/

Highlight: "I’m not sure if you’d call it cheating or just pure scum."
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06-29-2015 , 12:24 AM
not sure if this has already been posted but some might get a laugh out of this:

https://twitter.com/pratyushbuddiga/...64528633217024
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06-29-2015 , 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
An interesting and in-depth take on the scandal (and poker culture in general) is offered by James Obst (aka 'Andy_McLEOD', winner of titles in SCOOP, TCOOP and WCOOP): http://calvinayre.com/2015/06/29/pok...-hear-by-obst/

Highlight: "I’m not sure if you’d call it cheating or just pure scum."
That was good 👀📝
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06-29-2015 , 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
An interesting and in-depth take on the scandal (and poker culture in general) is offered by James Obst (aka 'Andy_McLEOD', winner of titles in SCOOP, TCOOP and WCOOP): http://calvinayre.com/2015/06/29/pok...-hear-by-obst/

Highlight: "I’m not sure if you’d call it cheating or just pure scum."
nice article.

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Originally Posted by obst
In nearly all-professional sport, players compete hard, leave it all on the field and shake hands with the opposition after the game as a show of respect. In poker, players compete hard, and after the game, beeline it to social media to cuss out the opposition and get some ego soothing from friends and strangers who share the same practice.
Derail... True. But there's a reason I don't shake hands with everyone after I bust out of a tourney. The game is only over for ME.
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