Thank you.

That pic sums it up

I mean wtf. Online poker isn't even poker. Too much software/hardware involved.

ya, haters gonna hate....lots of people play from the us on their own SN, totally fine, there are risks involved and theyre taking them.

What BH did here isnt "taking a risk" it was systematic cheating to defraud people out of money. HE PLAYED ISILDUR HU ON THE NEW ACCOUNT!!!! Do you understand how scummy that is?

100% he used this account to gain an edge, on both prop bettors and people in the games that he didnt think were cool enough to know that it was him, seems indefensible to me, but u and vanessa are really smart so i must be wrong.

Selbst logic is weird.

So to use an analogy, a community of driving enthusiasts and professional drivers, should not publicly condone drink driving, because to do so, would not stop drink driving, but it would make it less likely that drink drivers would own up to other drivers on the road.

Her logic doesn't stack up even remotely in this thread, but what's shocking is that she is paid to promote the game.

Shocking. She should resign.

If pros that play with Hastings don't care that he MA (coincedently people that don't care are mostly the ones that were told and knew about his cheating ways, funny how that works no?), personally, I couldn't care even less what tools like BH do.
Since the Isildur incident years ago it was pretty obvious that Brian Hastings is a delusional fool that probably suffers for mild autism.
There are all kinds of hustlers, thiefs, liars and angle shooters in the gambling world so whatever.

What I'm more worried about is that these tards are getting away with it unpunished, and what I'm MOST worried about is stuff like this:

Brian Hastings claims to be someone he is not to make financial gain. How many people are in prison for the same offense? No matter what way you paint the picture that is what happened! Noel Hayes willingly allowed his identity to be used in this fraud. How many people are in prison for similar?

Lee Jones comments are a free pass to others to do the same!
Pokerstar's lack of action is the same!

As long as the money wheel keeps turning this will just let burn out and go away!

If ever there was a case to cement the claims to ban online poker ALL the above actions have proved beyond doubt it would be the correct move!

LOL
Awww poor Brian, maybe we should stop discussing the thread about him cheating because it might hurt his feelings.

Seeing the pic of BH and Jared Bleznick together reminded me of this thread:

(and, yeah, the community has known about this for a long time now and we've done nothing about it and the sites have done nothing about it)

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...-more-1354618/

There appears to be proof in this thread that BH is MAing and playing from the States.

Pokerstars appears not to have done anything about it, and a paid pro paid by them posts in this thread condoning it, or at best saying it is no big deal.

Will the relevant authorities now be taking an interest in this? If so, Pokerstars negligence is astonishing. They are supposed to be doing all they can to police playing from the US? It appears they don't care.

The potential impact on ROW players is a big concern. Who loses when the site gets shut down again? I bet Noel Hayes will have cashed out by then.

super scummy he played isildur on the noel account.

stinger always seemed like a weird ****** dude. same with jared blesnick

Rasva win those sessions against Blom?

ps: Did he finish on the leaderboard for scoop?

Stars site is gone horrible everything keeps redirecting to the homepage.

Some people abuse alcohol. Should we ban it for everyone?

Some people commit insider trading. Should we shut down the stock market?

There's corruption in the government. Should we have anarchy?

Within 10 years, if not sooner, it will be possible to prevent multi-accounting with methods that are at least affordable for high stakes games... A webcam that performs a retina scan to verify identity every X minutes (but does not transmit your image to other players), or a mouse that scans your fingerprint would do nicely to verify that the account holder is the one playing. That sort of technology already exists, just not at the realistic/affordable consumer level yet.

We in the poker community should advocate for better security measures rather than endlessly bashing people who have done wrong, people who could have done more to speak out, or saying online poker is going to completely die due to multi-accounting. I'm not saying we shouldn't hold people accountable, speak our minds and expect a certain level of honesty and push people not to keep secrets, but after how many pages of vitriol does it become utterly pointless, if not detrimental to the cause of preventing future multi-accounting to just keep going?

How much arguing over whether the line of what breach of the TOS is morally acceptible by the community should be VPNing on your own s/n, getting a brand new name, buying another name, or buying a known recreational players' account can we really have? There's never going to be much of a consensus there, so why not talk more about prevention than just how bad it was and exactly where the gray area stops, if there is one? I'm not condoning those things, but we'd be better off pushing sites to enact safety measures to prevent the worst incidents and then go from there. That should be achievable in the biggest games, if nothing else.

In my opinion, it's time for more talk about the future and prevention... the conversation has to move on at some point, and by now everyone who wants to follow these types of things knows what happened here with Brian, tons of us have said it's wrong and discussed it, and at some point it's just pointless to keep piling on or arguing in circles.

No one will miss you duck. You are incredibly arrogant and not nearly as smart as you think you are and your writing style is horrible. Big words do not make you a good writer or an effective communicator. Also your logic on this is terrible.

Can't really be surprised a high stakes poker player cheated to get an edge, happens all the time.

i didnt read the whole thread but most part , did stars give any comment so far?
i might have missed it

They haven't said anything, not sure what they do. Can they ban him?

I guess so, but obv dunno sincei dont work there.
But if an nl100 reg would admit htat he cheated or mated, i recon he would be insta banned and they money would be taken from the ac to repay the other palyers

u shove i call posted that the noelhayes account is not capable of receiving xfers

How do you get from this^^^

To this

Good summary below:

Second time I was living in vegas I talked to 2 roommates of a reg who is now world famous for his accomplishments, and they both played on his account to split sne money and they did it on two different accounts. I remember thinking it was kinda scummy at the time but all I could do was pass along some he said, she said type of stuff. This was like 5 years ago when the economy was flush and there wasn't nearly the type of pressure to go to these extremes to gain an edge.

Obviously what you find out about is only the tip of the iceberg, thats how underworld things go

hey vanessa, doubt u read this, but do u think your comments would lead to less,more or an unchanged amount of ma'ing?

several people have posted in defense of hastings, either using the haters gonna hate or the its bad for the game to publicize argument, but in the long run, the thing's you are saying are actually counter intuitive. (not the haters gonna hate part)

saying its nbd and semi endorsing these activities will only lead to more of it, which will indeed be very bad for poker in the long run, while 1 example of a scummy person getting caught is very unlikely to hurt the game.

Also the vigilance of the poker community,pos's u referred to, can't possibly damage anything. should we blame the people who did all the work to expose AP and Ub for sullying poker's glistening history and record? obviously theyre not the same situation, but i coulda easily said at the time "guys, stop talking about superusers, it makes poker look bad. don't crucify these people, they had an edge and they were exploiting it, haters gonna hate".....

so absurd

I do agree with a lot of what you say.

But also there is merit to going after higher profile players much much harder than regular nobodies.

More of the public will become aware of it, and the sites will be under more and more pressure to be transparent about what theyre doing to combat it. If they don't, even more people (and its already a lot) are gonna ditch online permanently.

To use the Lance Armstrong example thats been mentioned a couple of times. Noone really gave a **** when some random team rider got done for EPO, but since the Lance thing blew up and the top of the profession was shown to be just as scummy as the bottom then stuff started to happen. People got fired, new reforms all that jazz.

People should see the top poker pros, who are financially very comfortable already have no qualms about deceiving honest people, who either trying to make a living within the rules or just wanting to have a fun game of poker.

These industries who make money from the public HAVE to combat it, cos once the public lose faith they lose their money train.

This is not the UB scandal but I think its better to do it this way and 2+2 can def be powerful. It may not be the most mature and reasoned way to bring about change but its most likely the quickest.

Keep shouting NVG.

If you made your living playing poker, and your income went to zero based on suspicion you might not feel protected.

Pokerstars isn't a person, it doesn't have a pocketbook. Like many corporations, most of it is owned by mutual funds. Most mutual funds are owned by pension funds and 401Ks. They're far more important than consumers. There isn't a Mister Amaya walking around with your rake in his wallet.

Regarding your comment about consumers. Why should anyone be pro people who use things up? If you're equating HS regs who don't multi-account as consumers you've fallen off the deep end.

Actually stars has no ties to hastings i dont see why they dont bring down the hammer unless they planned on signing him because of his two braclet wins this summer,,, he was already at the edge of the scumbag scale its just become official.. Hey but dont out this guy its not good for the game lol

Americans arents as fired up as they should be solely cause we cant play a entire continent cut off from the rest of the world